Workshop - Scottsdale, AZ - Obstructions to Abundance - 1969 - Part 4 of 4

OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE
Scottsdale, AZ 1969
by
Robert Rhondell Gibson

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OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE – Scottsdale, AZ 1969
CD #7 OF 9
[Note: This CD is only 10 minutes long]

...reports accurately “what is” and then, when it can do that, a little later it can even report what it would like; and surprisingly enough, it will do it.  Because then comes the ability – after you’re a passive reporter – comes the ability to make up the mind.  But you can’t make up the mind while there is not passive reporting because making up the mind has to be based upon what has been reported, does it not.  Mmm?  You can’t make up your mind in chaotic circumstances because then there is no continuity to it.  So, first there is accurate reporting of what is. 

One:  What is.  Now, “what is” includes ourselves as we are at this moment, so that is self knowledge – it is also “what is” is the relationship between X and Awareness and Body and Function.  And before one can make up one’s mind, one must be an adequate reporter.  Now, we’ve tried to sometimes make up our mind before we know how to be a reporter; and it always fizzles because there’s another side jumps in there and says, “Yeah, but what if”...you know?  Um-huh!  And you didn’t make up your mind at all. 

Now, the greatest power on Earth known to man, of course, is X.  And X works when there is a clearly made-up mind that you are this or that or the other gonna do – it works, doesn’t it, Robert?  Without a doubt.  That is sometimes referred to as “faith” – the ability to make up one’s mind.  But the first prerequisite to the ability to make up the mind is the ability to report accurately “what is” without condemnation or justification of “what is” – then you can make up your mind. 

Because then mind is made up in accordance with Universal Law, not whims that I would like according to my conditioning.  And then, of course, if you’re using conditioning, you would have two ways you wanted your mind made up at the same time ‘cause that other little cat’s in there hollerin’ too, isn’t he?  See?  So you make up your mind I want this, but this one says, "Oh yes, but you shouldn’t do that."  So you can’t make up your mind because you’re not an adequate reporter of telling “what is.” 

When you can report “what is” without condemnation or justification, conditioning has come to an end; and only then can you make up your mind.  When you can make up your mind wholly, completely about anything, it’s going to happen...period!

(Unclear question about “conditioning.”)

Conditioning comes to an end when you truly know yourself – when you can report accurately “what is,” then conditioning is at an end, because conditioning is really reporting inaccurately, you see, two different ways at one time.  Self-knowledge consists in seeing these things and having re-evaluated as we went through and say, “Yeah, I would like to have pleasure and comfort and I’d like attention; I’d like approval” and so forth.  And this one over here [indicating a not-I written on the board:] says, “Get it this way.”  And this one says, “Get it this way.”  Now you’ve reported accurately and you haven’t condemned or justified.  But ordinarily what goes on in your mind the minute you start to report something – you judge, is that right?

(Yes, it is.)

Huh?

(And this is thinking in opposites?)

Isn’t it?  Do you have to ask that as a question?  Is it not thinking in opposites?

(It’s not quite clear to me.)

All right, so you say, “I want to be non-disturbed and I’m gonna stick up for my rights; but no, I shouldn’t do that, I should please ever’body – I have to please them,” huh?  And now you’ve got two different – you’re double-minded then, is that right?  And there’s no way to make up the mind. 

But when you re-evaluate, you say, “Yes, I want this – it is a privilege and I’m gonna get it.  I’m not entitled to it.  I don’t have to stick up for my rights to get it; I don’t have to quote my authorities and make you buy them; I don’t have to please you.  But I’m going to use whatever method there is to get it,” okay? 

Now you have made up your mind.  When you’ve then made up the mind, it is single; and a double-minded person, of course, can’t make up their mind – they can only try to make up their mind.  Right, Miss Faith?  Huh?  You only “try” to make up your mind.

(– knowledge, your feelings there – this is where you end up…you’re angry.)

Well, if you’re angry, you’re still in conflict, is that right?  So you’re still feeling “entitled.”  You haven’t re-evaluated if you are anger, right?  If you’re angry, you haven’t re-evaluated anything – you’re still workin’ on the same old thing tryin’ to use something that was never intended as a technique as a technique.  If I have re-evaluated and seen that yes, I want to have attention and I want to have approval and Miss Genevieve is ignoring me.  And so I would like to have her attention or approval but I’m not entitled to it.  I don’t have to stick up for my rights to get it; but I bet you if I take it as a privilege, I will get your attention and, you know, if you don’t watch it, I’ll get your approval in a little while. 

But I’m not entitled to it, huh?  Now, if I felt entitled to it, I’d get mad because you hadn’t already given it to me, right?  That’s where all anger comes from, that I feel “entitled.”  Now, in re-evaluation sees I’m not entitled to anything, okay?  Right?  Now, by my own efforts, I will get it or at least I’ll work at it.

(All right, now somebody could accuse you of something that you don’t feel you did do.)

...that you didn’t do as far as you know.

(– and you’ll report that someone is accusing you –)

...and have fun.  Who cares what’s accusing me – while they’re accusing me they’re lettin’ you alone, yes?  (laughter)

(Unclear)

I find it very stimulating.  [He chuckles.]

(Well –)

But you are “entitled” to be understood and I’m not.  Right, Genevieve?  Huh?  You’re entitled to be understood and to be respected.

(All right.)

...and to not be falsely accused.  And I’m not.  And I kind of enjoy havin’ somebody come up and accuse me of controllin’ their lives.  (laughter)  And I think, “Boy, you are really havin’ fun – you said I can think for you, I can eat for you,” and that to me is the biggest laugh I ever heard of.  I think it’s funny. 

(One thing that I’ve noticed, because I have people who I fought and I don’t seem to have much emotion about it, you know.)

So what?  Then have fun.

(You know, and I say "Okay that’s fine."  You know, okay; and then they get mad at me because they think I’m being condescending to them because they’re not getting me mad.)

Right, so they want to be mad – they’re gonna be mad no matter what you do.  You give ‘em a hundred dollar bill, they say, “What are you doin’, insultin’ me, I don’t need your property!”

(I know, it’s very funny, really.)

If you don’t give ‘em any money, they get mad at you because you didn’t let ‘em have it.  Oh, you know – if people wanna be mad, they can be mad – nobody makes ‘em mad, they just wanna be, so let ‘em have it, who cares?  So when we see that, we intentionally re-evaluate it, have no stress, which is anger, guilt, fear and insecurity – anyone of those and any of their levels – that is stress, isn’t it?  And I only have those when I feel “entitled” and didn’t get it, right? 

Now you can make up your mind when you no longer have those.  But as long as you have the feeling of anger or any of its many sub-manifestations of which is aggravation, annoyance, – you know, we always… “righteous indignation,” that’s a good one… or any of those good little items of anger.  Anything with guilt, which is worry, regret, etcetera, any kind of fear, which is anxiety, etcetera – down on the line.  And insecurity, which is a feeling of inferiority or helplessness or hopelessness or being picked upon, or any of these things.  When all of that is gone because you’ve re-evaluated, you’re not entitled to anything – but you by your own efforts can get whatever you want – then you can make up your mind.  Before then, it’s total impossibility because all you’ll do is come out in a conflict with it, you see?  Huh?  You see that one all right? 

You can’t make up your mind until you’ve re-evaluated and no longer feel “entitled.”  Now, once you’re not entitled to anything, then you can make up your mind about anything.  Now, when you can make up your mind, then X does whatever you have made up your mind about.  If you made up your mind that you was just gonna evaporate, you’ll evaporate pretty quick, you know.  If you make up your mind that palm tree’s gonna shrivel up and die before sundown, it’ll shrivel up and die ‘fore sundown.  If you make up your mind to anything else, that’s the way it works. 

But as long as you feel entitled to something and you make up your mind because you’re entitled to it and you’re “gonna get it, so there!” you can’t make up your mind because there’s a conflict – is that right?  Every time there’s a conflict – that right?  “I’ll show him, that…”      

[END OF CD #7 OF 9]

Obstructions to Abundance - Scottsdale, AZ 1969
CD #8 OF 9

“…blip, blip.”  And when you have a conflict, it’s impossible to make up the mind.  Now, conflict comes in the form of struggle, conflict, and resistance.  Resistance is just as much conflict as fightin’ between opposites – resisting something happening that is happening or resisting existing that is existing.  Strugglin’ to get something you don’t have or strugglin’ to avoid something is just as much conflict as fighting between “I do” and “I don’t” want this. 

When those are gone and they’re only gone when you have re-evaluated and seen that you are not entitled to have pleasure.  You’re not entitled to have attention.  You’re not entitled to have approval.  You’re not entitled to be respected and feel useful.  You are not entitled to avoid all pain.  You are not entitled to avoid any being ignored or rejected.  You’re not entitled to avoid disapproval.  You’re not entitled to feel useless, inferior, and worthless.  Huh? 

When you have that, then you have made nothing important; but you would like to have something or you’d like to see a certain thing happen, then you can make up your mind and it doesn’t matter what it is, it will happen.  That is being at one with what, Genevieve?

(Spirit itself.)

Spirit or God or whatever word you wanna use.  Now, then you would be in constant relationship with that power – it is at all time – and you see it there and you see it there and you see it there.  And then you don’t have all this conflict and turmoil and binge episodes and neurotic behavior and psychotic behavior and tantrums and all these things.  Life is a joy to live every moment. 

Have whatever you want and if you want to throw a DOCA binge, have fun – you know, you can go off and do it, huh?  Nobody says you shouldn’t, right?  And if you wanna find, feel victimized and sit in the corner for three years, that’s all right, nobody will bug you about it. Have fun.  Right?  (laughter)  Complain because you’ve been victimized and made helpless and unable to perform “because nobody will let me,” – you can do whatever you want then. 

But you’re not “entitled” to anything – that is the re-evaluation that eliminated the subconscious mind because the subconscious mind is basically says, "I’m entitled to it."  Huh?  You know, I expect it because I’m entitled to it and when I’m not, I’m disappointed and when I’m disappointed, I feel hurt and when I feel hurt, I look for blame and when I look for blame, I get mad – woooo!  Huh?  Right?  Or I get guilty or I get fearful, or I get all insecure and then here I go on the whirlwind.  You’re never disappointed, are you? 

(Sometimes.)

That’s the end of the subconscious; that’s the whole nature of the stupid thing is that it feels entitled.

(Oh.)

Isn’t it?  You’re entitled to be treated like a fat cat sittin’ on a satin pillow.  Now, to be that way is fun, but you’re not entitled to it.

(But I can be that.)

But you can be that way.  I think it’s a very wonderful way for a pretty lady to be; but she’s not entitled to it, okay?  But you think you’re entitled to it and you’ve got nothin’ but worries and problems.

(Well, this is another thing that keeps bugging me – )  (rest of comment is unclear)

Okay, re-evaluate it and see that you are not entitled to this big First Decision down here [indicating First Decision on the board.]  That’s the whole thing and the rest of it’s gone then.  The rest of it is useless.  You’ve re-evaluated it and seen, “Yes, I want to be a fat cat sittin’ on a satin pillow but I’m not entitled to it, but I’m gonna get it by bein’ pretty and cute and makin’ people want to pet me and so they’ll keep me on the satin pillow just ‘cause I look good there.”  (laughter)  But you’re not entitled to it.  But you have felt entitled to it all your life even though you wouldn’t say it in those words.  Haven’t you felt entitled to it?  Haven’t you? 

(Oh, yes.)

And just get all upset because they didn’t set you there.  But you never did one thing to allow them to set you there.  You’ve gritched and that’s the last way in the world to put you on a pillow because the fat cat sittin’ on a satin pillow is purrin’, not gritchin’ and growlin’ and scratchin’.  (laughter)  You want to be a fat cat sittin’ on a satin pillow, Jeannie?  But you’re not entitled to it, little lady. 

(Well, I don’t know that I felt that I was entitled to all this, but I felt like I “ought” to have it.)

Well, that’s the same difference.  Slice it any way that baloney comes out, it’s still baloney, you know?  (laughter)  Whether you say I ought to have it or whether I ought to be respected or whether I’m entitled to it comes out the same thing – it all says the same thing, it’s a chunk of baloney.

(I guess some people who might be attracted to the thought – who don’t think that they’re entitled to – I don’t know, maybe that’s a –)

That is a “repo” that says, “I will say I’m not entitled so I will be entitled to it.”

(Well, some people just don’t think they should have anything and then –)

No, this is when they have been around the horn until they have decided to play the pathetic bit.  “I’m entitled to it but I won’t get it and so I won’t even ask for it – I’ve been so sinful, I won’t even get it so, therefore, won’t you feel sorry for me because I am really entitled to it now that I’ve admitted I’m so sinful and worthless.”  Don’t you ever listen to what thoughts say in people’s heads, you know?  Don’t you ever listen like when somebody comes up and says, “I love you, therefore, you’re obligated to me and you must do exactly as I want you to or else I will be hurt and then I will cry and it’ll all be your fault, so there!”  They only said the first three words and thought the rest of it.  (laughter)  Don’t you listen?  Huh? 

(I heard something like that in the hospital one time.)

Did you?

(unclear comment ending with “they say things like that.”)

Yeah.  “I may love you, therefore, I’m entitled to have you do everything I want you to when I want you to and if you don’t do it, I will be hurt and then I will cry and it’ll all be your fault, so there.” 

(That’s possessiveness.)

Well that’s a fancy word for it, but it’s called "love.”  It’s “love” when I do it and “possessiveness” when you do it – and “rank dependency” when they do it.  Didn’t you ever play that game “I, you, and they?”

(Yes.)

Okay, you know, when I do it, it’s love, when you do it, it’s possessiveness, and when they do it, it’s rank dependency – in fact, it might be exploitation.  Hmm?  So would you like to have anything you want when you want it?  First step is re-evaluate – you’re not entitled to anything.  That don’t keep you from wantin’ it, but you’re not entitled to it – okay?  And the second thing then when you’re not entitled to it, you don’t expect it and you’re free to choose whatever you would like and you make up your mind and you can make up your mind then.  But you can’t make up your mind because as long as you’re entitled to it because you feel entitled to it, why should you make up your mind for it, anyway?

(Dr. Bob, isn’t that like, “I can get whatever I want when I don’t want it.”)

That’s so true.  So little you want when you know you can have it.

(That’s amazing.)

[He laughs]  Yeah, when you can find you can have anything you want whenever you want it, it’s surprising how little things is nothing’s important enough to bug with, but you can have it – so you use it and go on and enjoy yourself; but before then, when you feel that “everything’s hidden from me.”  Man, you want everything – dig, dig, dig, dig, right?

(More and more and more.)

More, more, more.  And when you find you can have everything, why you want to have as little and as simplicity as possible.  But you can’t be simplicity until you find out you’re gonna have everything, right? 

(That’s so true.)

And then you really could care less.  You don’t need a great big house.  You don’t need a Lincoln Continental.  You don’t need a...

(Cadillac limousine.)  (lots of laughter)

Cadillac limousine – that stays in the garage – to keep in the garages.  You don’t need all these big items to keep you goin’.  You can use anything.  You don’t need a ‘69 limousine, you can get a ’51 – will get you along just as well. 

(I don’t even need that.)

Don’t “need” anything.  But you know it’s always available somewheres; but you don’t need houses.  You don’t need all these things for status symbols.  Did you ever have to work for a few status symbols in your day?

(Oh, I’ve seen a few crowns in my day.)

Well that’s a good status symbol, isn’t it?  It’s a beaut.  Look at my crown.

(So what you’re saying is…that I’m not entitled to it?)

To anything; and you’ve re-evaluated but you know what you want:  You would like to have attention; you would like to have approval; you would like to have some feeling of being worthwhile; and you would like to be pleasurable and comfortable as much as possible; and you’re not entitled to avoid pain at any time; you’re not entitled to be, avoid all being ignored or rejected by husband or kids or anybody else; and you’re not entitled to avoid all disapproval.  And you’re not entitled to feel, to discover that you’re unnecessary, okay? 

Then you no longer have any struggle with the subconscious mind.  Then you can be single-minded and make up your mind.  You can have anything you want and you will discover when you can have anything you want that there’s so little that really bothers – you know, just little simple things moment by moment here and there, right?  Or sometimes you do it just to have fun, you know – to watch people squirm but it really don’t mean anything one way or the other to you.  [He chuckles]  Okay?  Does that answer your question, Laurie?  You can have it, anytime you want it.  But first you discover fully that you are not entitled.  But, you see, unknowingly, fully subconscious, ever’ one of us have felt “entitled” to all these things, right?

(Dr. Bob, by just saying that, is that going to really pull that out of there?)

Just sayin’ somethin’ never changed anything – “discoverin’ it” I said, okay?  If you don’t discover that you don’t have these, not entitled to these, you’ll still be doin’ it if you said the words a thousand times.  Did you ever hear people make affirmations?

(Yes.)

Did you ever hear people make affirmations?  It’s a joke, isn’t it?  Because they wouldn’t even be makin’ ‘em if they believed it.  Is that right? 

(unclear)

Further, more you make the affirmation the less you buy it, is that right? 

(unclear)

There’s a little thing up there that says, “You’re a liar,” doesn’t it?  Right.  So if you said, "I’m not entitled," there’s a little guy sittin’ there behind your left ear that says, "You liar, you are entitled to it and you know it!"  So then you haven’t discovered it, Genevieve.  So don’t bother with the words.  Make the discovery and when you truly see that you’re not entitled to anything, that you got here like the rest of us – broke, helpless, naked, unwanted, and a big bother to ever’body – how do you think you’re entitled to anything? 

(My mother wanted me.)

No, she wanted a child maybe, but not you.  (lots of laughter)  She had in mind a pretty little boy with brown eyes and blond hair.

(That’s not what she told me, anyway.)

Huh?

(She told me different.)

Oh well, I know, they get that way after you’re around – they’re ashamed of it.  (laughter)  Don’t enjoy it – just get feelin’ guilty a wishin’ they hadn’t been born.

(They told me since I came along she still put a lock on the door.)

Right, and shot it.  But another one took its place, I notice.  They’re still in business pretty well.  But the point is that you really… did you invite this one’s on the way?

(Not especially.)

And he will be an intruder as far as you’re concerned, and he’ll get here naked, helpless, broke and have to be taken care of and feel he’s entitled to everything, right?  That’s the whole show right there.  And when we can reevaluate and get over that and get over our infant feeling we’re entitled to something, then you start being capable – you’re at one with Spirit. 

You are in perfect relationship with the Universal Intelligence or God and you see it everywheres.  Somewheres a man said, “When the pure in heart will see God.”  When you’re “pure in heart” is when you no longer feel entitled to anything and you will see it expressin’ there and there and there and there and everywheres else and in the grass and in the flowers and in the birds and in the sunshine.  And you know that you’re at one with that Power ever’wheres; and you’re never out of contact with it.  It’s always there.  But as long as you’re entitled to something, everything you see is obstructing you from having what you’re entitled to and you’re in conflict with everything and you can’t make up your mind.  All you can do is moan. 

(Everything’s dark.)

Huh?  Everything’s pretty dark and there’s no pink fluffy balls floatin’ around, is there?  Right.  Okay?

(Dr. Bob, what if –)

What if?

(No, no…if you feel that you’re not entitled and said, “Okay, I’m not entitled to it but I want it.”)

Sure, you can have it.

(And finally saying, “Go ahead and get it.”)

Get it and you don’t have to justify it because you’re “entitled” to it.  You see, as long as we feel entitled, we feel justified in it.  Now, can you just have somethin’ because you want it without any rhyme or reason?

(Yep.)

Fine – that’s cookin’ now on the front burner.  As long as you feel entitled to it, justified in why you want it.

(If we feel entitled to it…therefore, we have to justify it?)

We feel that we’re...

(Why is that what we want?)  (It is justified.)

It is justified – we’re entitled to it.

(When you want something, you have to make excuses for having it?)

Right.  We say that we are entitled to it, but “I ‘fluked’ somewheres and didn’t quite earn it, but I will justify it” – isn’t that right? 

(Well, I know that’s the way it works but I don’t understand why it works that way.)

Because it is the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind is the realm of the illogical –nuts.  [He laughs]  That’s why – if it ever made sense, it wouldn’t be subconscious.

(Right.)

(Well, we’ve got an Intellectual Knowledge – the Awareness has to re-evaluate the First Decision – that old A and B have one heck of a fine ability of protecting ourselves and into veering off into something other than the Source.)

Right.  And…

(We go off on this nice big cycle and you, again, intellectually say, “Now wait a minute,” it’s this and this and this as far as –)

No, not intellectually.

(All right, then what do you say?)

Verbally.

(Touché.)

Like Genevieve was tryin’ to give me over here a while ago.  But there’s still a little guy that sits back there and says, “You are a liar, you still are entitled to it, Jack.”  [He laughs]

(I would recognize the fact that he’s sittin there sayin’ that but it doesn’t get off the cycle.)

Right.  So then it didn’t say that it was a little thing, it just says to see and discover that really you’re not entitled but by your own efforts you can have it; but you’re not entitled to anything.  And this is a discovery; and you can verbalize it all you want to and you just wastin’ your time –just clippin’ your ivories – knockin’ your china clippers...  (laughter)  …and gettin’ nowheres.  But once you really discover it and see – well, huh?

(It’s breaking the cycle though – the hard part.)

It is discovered.  That is true, but it is discovery, okay?  So discover it and it really don’t matter whether you verbalize it then or not as long as you discover that you really aren’t entitled to nothin’.  But you have the privilege of gettin’ every little thing your heart could ever wish for, okay?  Another question, please?

(Unclear)

Yeah, when you get all that “entitled” bit out of there – that’d be one then.  Huh?  Get over that entitles bit.

(When you get over that, being entitled, then you can accept all there is, can’t you?)

Well, you discover that, sweetheart.  I want you to find that out because if you know that, you’d say, “Well, I won’t need to discover it now, I can put off and I can still stay entitled for a few more days ‘cause I know it’s gonna happen.”  Maybe your curiosity’ll get you to find out a little quicker that you can have anything and everything and it’s all yours – all you got to do is put forth a little effort to get the privilege.  It’s a privilege, but not a “right.”  You’re not entitled to it.  It’s not that you “ought” to have it or “should” have it, you know?  That’s the big conflict between what is and what ought to be and so forth, okay?  Another question? 

We will have a break until 1:30.  At 1:30 I will discuss any subject that we have forgotten to discuss or I’ll tell you I don’t know anything about it.  So, will you bring your subjects?  Practically after every workshop, somebody says, “I wish you would’a talked about so-and-so.”  Now, this one before we end, you have the chance to get it about.  So if there is a subject, it doesn’t have to be about anything we’ve talked about so far; but something you would like to know about that exists.  Not fantasies, Joyce, like where’d the Rosicrucians come from when there never was a Rosicrucian. 

When there’s some subject you really want to discuss that is real, we will attempt to discuss it.  If we don’t know anything about it, we’ll pull a modern day and put it on the table and send it to the computer and talk about it later; but if it’s something that we have been related to one way or another, we will at least discuss it.  So you will have the subject.  So if you will write it down what the subject is that you would like discussed, bring it in at 1:30 and we will discuss it, okay?  Have a nice lunch hour.  

[17-second pause during break]

...that’s easy.

(Oh, okay.)

Witchcraft.  Don’t laugh; it’s the most common practice in the United States.

(The other side’s right into that – that transfer of energy.)  (What?)  [Pause while Dr. Bob reads through the written questions.]

Did we miss one anywheres – suggestion, hypnotism, ESP, what?

(Submission.)

Submission – might as well do all the rest of it while you’re at it...confession, surrender, uh…

(Repentance)

Repentance and baptism, huh?  [Writes these on the board.]  Okay?  Be about enough?  Kaye Lynn, you got your finger up or are you just readin’ your sleeves?  [unclear]  Mister Dino? 

(I just answered my own question.)

You had the answer – it just came in out of the blue.

(I tied in with what you said – already told us.)

Okay.  All right, so several of these will fit together if I may put them all somewhat.  “Opposites” is from suggestion.  Is there any such thing as opposites?  Is there old and young or is there only degrees of duration?  Is there such a thing as hot and cold or is there only degrees of temperature, hmm?  Is there such a thing as good and bad or is there only an agreement with my taste – degrees of agreement with my taste?  If it’s a very poor agreement with my taste, I say it’s bad. 

(What about in and out or up and down.)

Those are different descriptions of dimensions, are they not?

(Yes.)

They are not opposites.  Is the upstairs and the downstairs opposites or are they different floors, dear?  Huh?  And what’s on the inside is outside the house...[corrects himself] inside the house than what’s on the other – it’s on the other side of the wall.  But it’s not opposites, is it?  It’s a different state of being – one’s enclosed and the other one is unenclosed; but that’s not opposites.

(What happens with time?)

Well that’s a different state.  Sometimes you do both the same time, don’t you, Carlucci?  [He chuckles]

(Yes.)

It all depends on how Joanne starts as to whether she ends up doin’ ‘em both or just one.  (laughter)  The first time I ever met Joanne, she was assigned the task of monitorin’ me to see that I didn’t do anything wrong.  You know, I was to do counseling, but I’ve got to have a…what do you call ‘em?

(A chaperone.)

A chaperone.  So she was my chaperone to see that I did all these things proper, I suppose, was that it?

(They didn’t tell me that, they just –)

...sent you along.  Well in other words, you know, I was probably gonna do some evil somethin’ and so they had her along to be the witness in case I did.  And so I started my usual routine of counseling which is not dead serious, you know, but I get to the point, is that right?

(Oh my, yes.)

And we were out on Malibu Beach up above about 150 feet above the ocean, I guess – 300 feet – and the surf begin to run the opposite direction because Joanne would laugh and the thing went that way – shook up all those guys out there tryin’ to surf.  So, is there any such thing as an “opposite” or is there only degrees of something and then differences, hmm?  Now, men and women are not opposites, they are “different” – if you haven’t found out I’ll explain it to you later.  (laughter)  They’re not opposites; they’re just “different.”  That’s one of the first things the little kids notice is that they’re different, they’re not opposites, huh? 

(Laughter)  (Well, I could say something but I won’t.)

Let’s hear it. 

(I better not.)

Well, your face is about the color of your hair – come on while you’re at it, dear?

(I am not crazy...at this moment.)

At this moment.  (laughter)  They are not opposites – they are different, okay?  And so this land of opposites is purely from suggestion of good and bad and right and wrong and it is the one thing that can also be called “judging.”  Now, in the various teachings of almost every major religion in the world, it suggests to not judge least you have rather severe repercussions.  

Now, another way of saying judging would be to say think in opposites, wouldn’t it?  That right?  If you’re thinking in opposites, you’re judging.  If you’re judging, you’re thinking in opposites.  So if the admonition would have been “think not in opposites least you get opposed” or somethin’ like that, you know, maybe a few more people would have understood it.  But it’s still only thinking in opposites.  If I say you are good, I’m judging it, is that right?  If I say it’s something is bad.  Now, suppose I told you, “Well, I had a good dinner last night.”  Tell me what I had, Genevieve? 

(A good dinner.)

What was it? 

(Well, it was something you liked.)

So you – I only told you something about me, nothing about the dinner.

(That’s right.)

I didn’t tell you a thing about the dinner.  So, in thinking in terms of opposites, we are psychotic, really.  And when we can describe whatever it is we’re talking about – now, if I described something and said, “Well, I had a charcoal broiled top sirloin steak that weighed approximately 10 ounces and I had a baked potato and I had a salad with garlic dressing on it and some usual dried-up rolls that they throw out in most restaurants, then you have a pretty good conception of what I had to eat, huh?  And you don’t know, maybe you can’t stand that stuff, hmm?  But maybe you would like it – that’s immaterial.

(unclear)

Well, it is gettin’ summertime – you’re not supposed to eat it, anyway.  So, that is all about opposites, right?  Is that all opposites are – is concepts in the mind and using myself as a standard for the world.  Can you think of anything any more egotistical?  Self-centered, hmm?  To judge is to say, “I know what ought to be.  I know how they should have put this world together and the good Lord goofed up on it most of the time; but he should have asked me.  And if he didn’t – if he would’ve had, we’da had the world like it oughtta be, wouldn’t we?”  Does that answer your opposites, hmm?  Take care of it?

The next one is “witchcraft.”  Now, witchcraft and suggestion go very, very close hand in hand.  Suggestion is implanting of a picture in a mind that is not awake.  An Awakened mind you cannot plant a suggestion in it – it’ll throw it back at you.  Now, could we suggest that if you ever do so-and-so, such a thing will come upon thee?  Now, we wouldn’t be quite that blunt with it, would we, because you’d notice that.  But we go around through a bunch of double talk of usin’ a lot of high-soundin’ words. 

But let’s say, for instance here, that I’m going to hypnotize a few of the people in the room now.  Now, first before I hypnotize anybody I want to first make a point clear that is usually decidedly misunderstood about hypnosis; and we also have hypnosis.  The ordinary idea about hypnosis is that it is the action of a strong mind on a weak mind.  Now, nothing could be further from the truth because it’s impossible to hypnotize a weak-minded person because they’re incapable of continued concentration.  So hypnosis is a phenomena demonstrating the action of two strong minds working together – one giving the suggestion and the other one concentrating upon it.  Now, I’m gonna ask for a volunteer or two to come up and be a subject, hmm? 

(Fine.)

Fine, you gonna be weak minded or are you gonna act strong minded and go along, huh?

(I’ll tell ya – we’ll just try it and see.)

You’re gonna be weak-minded though, are you?

(Am I gonna be weak-minded?)

Are you gonna be weak-minded and stand here and make a dope out of yourself before everybody here and admit you’re weak-minded because you won’t do what I tell you? 

(I’m just gonna see.  I’ll decide that when you do it.)

[He chuckles]  So if you aren’t a good subject, you obviously are weak-minded, aren’t you? 

(Well, that’s what you said.)

Well that’s what it would prove, wouldn’t it?

(Okay.)

So, would you sit down and pick up your chair, pick up your glasses.  Put your glasses on.

(‘Em on?)

Yeah, put ‘em on and pick up your book now, please – pick up the book, the book.

(Okay, just a minute – I have to get my pencil.)

Pick up the book – with the pencil in it.

(It falls out.  Okay, what do you want me to do with my book?)

Hold it.

(I am.)

Hold it a little higher.

(Okay, why?)

No why, just hold it.  Now reach down and pick up your purse.

(Nooo!)

Pick up the purse.

(This is silly.)

Naturally it is.  Pick up the purse.

(Okay, I’ll pick up my purse.)

Good.

(You know what this reminds me of?)

What?

(One of those Zen Koans.)

Yeah.

(And I threw the garbage can at him.)  

So, do you see that the whole thing is that we start off with the idea of what?  And I wasn’t even playin’ with hypnosis with you, but what?  That I was pointing out what the catch is – the suggestion is done before the little act starts that you are going to be simple-minded if you don’t be a good subject.  In other words, you’re gonna see the king’s clothes and act upon the subject.  

Now, one thing about hypnosis is if you willingly carry out four commands, you’ll find that you will automatically do the fifth, the sixth, the seventh, and the eighth, ninth and the tenth.  So most people are walkin’ around in the state of hypnosis all times because they have accepted four commands and carried ‘em out.  Now then, if I give you four commands over a period of time – maybe one today, two tomorrow and one the next day and you’re goin’, just goin’ along carrying them out.  You’re bein’ a good kid, you know, a sweet lady.  And then I tell you to die next Wednesday, you’d probably do it for me, you see, when you least expect it.  Now, unless you wake up.  Now, if you wake up and say, “Well, that’s a bunch of foolishness.”  Now, because I carried out four commands for him, I’m not gonna carry out the next one.  But do you see that this getting a repetition goin’.  So if somebody carries out four commands, they are under control.  

Now, suggestion is a fact of life and it’s very difficult to avoid being without it; but if you suggest to a person anything that would inhibit or influence them in any way to be more limited, you would call that witchcraft, okay?  If you do any suggestion and it aided in liberating the person from their inhibitions and various and sundry obstructions to functioning, you would call that “white magic.”  But the principle is the same regardless of which one you use.  Now, we prefer not to use hypnosis in any shape, manner, form, or fashion.  We try to have the person to be awake at all time and look what’s goin’ on. 

So we try to demonstrate what makes a person operate under suggestion.  Number one is, of course, the desire to please, the desire – the first one is to gain approval and to escape disapproval and it’s held out usually in some little patter such as the one we gave a minute ago that you would be simple-minded if you did not cooperate, do you see, hmm?

(I think it’s called “psychic attack at a distance.”)

Now, before there can be psychic attack there must be the idea first implanted in close-hand quarters that it is possible and then everything you feel begins to be under that suggestion.  I’ve heard of “psychic attacks” and all this kind of stuff all day.  But first, before there can be any psychic attack, I must have you intimidated; and then everything that happens to you, you’re gonna think of it as being what?  Everything that’s the least unpleasant after I planted this suggestion and left you with it and then six weeks from now you have a headache one day, what would you probably think of if I had planted the suggestion that psychic attack was possible and there’s no doubt was somebody that might hate you and want to control you – what would the headache mean to you? 

(I’d probably think it was a...)

Yeah, the psychic attack.  And then if three days later, of course that’d give you – got that one get goin’ you’d get the Vicious Cycle goin’ pretty fast and you would have the headache plus something else.  And you would pretty soon come up that you had been totally annihilated by psychic attack, is that right?  Now, if you’re subject to being suggested to and then everything that happens to you, you would attribute to this.  Now we set off the Vicious Cycle.

(Is it really all your own?)

It is your own – no power from outside would act upon it, okay?  But you bought the suggestion.  You had a misconception that this was possible or was being done to you, then you would have a false feeling of emergency least it happen.  And that would mobilize chemical imbalance and neuromuscular tension in your body and then you would start adapting.  And the way you started adapting then would increase your misconception, the fear of it, more false feeling of emergency, more this, and you could kill someone with it.  But they had to buy the suggestion.  Does that answer it? 

If you see there is suggestion, turn it off – they will only turn it on themselves.  Does that answer your question quite well?  Nobody can send little forces through the air and bite you.  But you can be highly suggestible, is that right?   

 

And if somebody lays one on you, got a good suggestion that you’re subject to psychic attack:    “Ralph, there’s a man I know is hating you and if I was you I would learn to draw yellow chalk marks around me,” you know, and kind of implanted that this is gonna happen to you.  And that’d get you a little on edge, wouldn’t it – make you a little apprehensive?  And then being a little apprehensive in a few days you would get the adaptation to the apprehensive and you’d get a headache or you’d get a sore throat or you would get a backache or you would get an upset tummy and then you would know that was what?

(A psychic attack.)

And then, would that increase your intensity of the false feeling of emergency and generate more mobilized and unreleased energy and it’d require more adaptation?  Would that frighten you more?  And would you go around that Cycle until you could be destroyed with it?  But you’re doing it yourself because you bought the suggestion just like somebody reads in the newspaper.  

Now, you want to talk about witchcraft – let’s go at it in a big scale.  You want to?  Back in 1937, I received every month at that time, the Illinois State Medical Journal.  In this particular issue in 1937, was an article that says, “Send ten dollars to the state organization and we will use it to publicize the need for cancer examinations.  This will bound to bring you at least seven examinations that you can get a minimum of ten dollars for, for the year.  That will give seventy.  Send us that seventy and we will then get a minimum of a hundred examinations at ten dollars and you send the thousand – you’ll never need to again because the public will support it from there on.” 

Have you seen it?  Has everybody think they’re being attacked by cancer, feelin’ here, lookin’ here and lookin’ behind their ear and between their toes and under their toenails and feelin’ of every little protuberance from the body?  Is that right?  Is that witchcraft?  Same difference – you just said “psychic attack,” if you want to call it that – pure unadulterated, premeditated, conceived financial gain.  Answer your question, dear? 

Now we’ve got one for each month.  That one worked so well, we’ve got one for arthritis one month so if your sphere is arthritis, you can picture yourself with all big knobbly hands and twisted knees and stiff joints then you can get that one and that is another one and it is solid all over.  Now we have one of “people’s gonna run all over you.”  We got “overpopulation explosion’s comin’ at us and we’re gonna be trampled under kids,” right?  We’re just gonna be swamped with ‘em.  

(I have a fear about that.)

From what?

(A fear like that – overpopulation.)

You haven’t been readin’ the newspapers once in a while.  Who also made abortions at $700 a copy is legal?  All you gotta do is go down and ask for one today and say, “It will upset my head if I don’t get it” – I wanna have my way.  Seven hundred dollars a crack.  They’re perfectly free in California – seven hundred dollars cash on the barrelhead in advance.  Does that help answer your question, hmm?  Anything for a dollar. 

What is all the scare on cancer for?  To make dollars.  Has it increased cancer?  Yes.  Because people got on this Vicious Cycle misconception, [feigns frantic mumbling], false feeling of emergency, blip, blip, blip, fills us full of adrenalin and you gotta adapt and so around it goes.  Yes, it has increased it.  Has it brought about tremendous anxiety and suffering in human beings for the sake of a dollar gain?  Yes – that’s what black magic and witchcraft is.  How much more do you want to know about it?  You wanna know some more.

(Yes.)

Huh?

(Yes.)

It’s packed on every direction you turn around to make you a subject willing, supported, and being used.  To make your money go to me.  All I gotta do is develop you a fear and hold a threat over your head, right?  And if you don’t pay so much percentage point, you’re gonna get it, some more of it. 

(unclear)

Well, the idea that you have to pay it is – if you wanna go out and give it…  But if you’re gonna go to hell if you don’t do it and you’re gonna be humiliated and you’re gonna be all upset and shook up and wonderin’ and anxious about it, then what’s it used for?  It doesn’t matter what the subject is, it’s what it’s used for.  Isn’t that right?  You’re intimidated that if you don’t pay it, what happens to you?  Hmm?

(unclear)

 And, therefore, you’re gonna be looked down on and get black marks made on the book against you, aren’t you?  Yes?

(Insurance and all that kind of stuff, too?)

Insurance – all the rest, the biggest part of the things we look at is the whole practice of black magic.  It’s everywheres only you call it “advertising.”  You call it “religion.”  You call it “health services” – of course, the price goes up every time.  But people just got to have more taxes so that we can pay for this increased cost of health services, right? 

(Is life insurance the same?)

Well, what is it – threaten you – “What will happen to your dear wife and children if the breadwinner goes away?  Have you thought about that widow out there – hungry and livin’ in a mud shack with no clothes on?  Don’t you ever consider – don’t you feel like a heel if you haven’t give ‘em all that loot?”  Nah.

(I feel like –)

When you want to take a good solid look at it, find out how much a commission is on it and then you’ll see whether it’s needed or not.

(Like health insurance.)

Right.  All the rest of it.

(How about environmental control?)

Oh yes, now then you’re right on the button, aren’t you?  You will lay it on the line and do what you’re told because those other “dirty dogs is gonna kill you with their filth.”  And you gotta join us and give us your loot and then we’ll whip those dirty dogs, won’t we?

(Well, there’s a lot of studies goin’ on in this field.)

Right, right!  So witchcraft is the most common subject I know of.  It’s black magic.  I was trained very well in it.  And I used to practice it unknowingly to myself and I had everybody scared and they all come in every week and I could try to leave town and they’d panic.

(How come they still do?)  (laughter)

Witchcraft all over the place – a solid deal.  Does that answer your question on witchcraft?  It’s all laid on you.  You buy suggestion that this danger is goin’ and you wanna be safe, remember – from that first decision you haven’t reevaluated it and it says, “You are entitled to this great state and something is gonna keep you from it” – anything from the devil to the guy next door to an invisible disease that’s gonna attack you and you are a sittin’ duck for black magic, huh?

(Okay, now, what about any insurance?  There’s a controller – what about the controller who deals with insurance?  They’re usually about “responsibility.”  Are they doing black magic?)

No, they’re being the subject of black magic.  They become zombies.

(I see – they’re walkin’ dead.)

Walkin’ dead – waitin’ for somebody else to control.  Does that answer your question on witchcraft?  Does that answer your question on suggestion, sir?  It’s one in the same.  Now, you can use it for worthwhile purposes or you can use it not. 

Now, you asked about the “transfer of energy,” huh?  The transfer of energy is that if you come up and get all angry at me and you’re gonna give me a hard way to go and I get all angry at you, I have transferred my control of energy to you, is that right?  But if I stand there and enjoy you and tell you how much I appreciate you remindin’ me of what a heel I am, you can’t push that energy off on me and I’m liable to pick yours up and use it against you because it will turn back against you pretty quick, won’t it?  You ever try it?  Did you ever mistreat anybody?  Did you ever be rude to anybody?  Did you ever be obnoxious to somebody in order to make them feel bad? 

(Yes, I have.)

What’d happen to you?  It gets you sick, doesn’t it?  It’ll also kill you, real quick like.  You can’t use energy against people in order to make them feel bad and obnoxious without puttin’ yourself in a box, you know?  And so an awful lot of people do that.

(When you talk about using this energy, they try it on a tree, you know –)

Yeah, poor old tree though, he doesn’t have much chance, you know?  No, you ain’t got to put your energy in there.  So, if you’re being obnoxious to anybody or includin’ a tree or a blade of grass, you’re havin’ to expend your energy on it, aren’t you?  And so you show intent upon makin’ the tree die or a person feel bad or somethin’ that you get carried away and forget to go, you know, like a waterfall – you get too close to the brink, you can’t back up.  So it doesn’t pay to do it, do you see?  Hmm?  If you experiment a little bit with it, don’t feel good, does it?  It behooves us all to be pretty nice to other folks for no other reason than it’s to my advantage.

(All right now, sometimes, I felt, you know, ornery and stuff and I could feel it poppin’ all over and –)       [END OF CD #8 OF 9]

OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE - Scottsdale, AZ 1969
CD #9 OF 9

...not particularly – unless they pay attention to it – and usually it’s just absorbed by the environment around there.  But the third one would have to be some Awareness of what’s goin’ on.

(It can build up and explode.)

Oh yeah, it can explode.  It can also ruin a buildin’ to work in and all sorts of other things, yeah – makes a real mess.

(Well, can it influence somebody that doesn’t have anything, you know?)

No, most of ‘em you gotta have something – you feel the stuff and you walk away from it if it’s buggin’ you.  Go away from it.  Just let ‘em have their junk over there, you know?

(There’s one –these people who say they can release, like say a physical or a psychotic illness – release the energy from it and it goes out into the atmosphere and has to have someplace to go.  It will go in any body that it can find, cause all sorts of probably physical –)

That is a wonderful suggestion that will get you to worryin’ if there hasn’t been some turned out in the area again, is what that can say.  Be careful about how the suggestions come.  There’s an endless ways of doin’ ‘em and the more indirect they are, the mightier they hit you, you see.  This requires the reason for being awake and sayin’, “You can buy that, buster.”  You see, it’s just another way of layin’ it out where you are fearful that this energy is “attack-ting” [attacking] you.  In other words, you feel endangered just to be out all by yourself locked up in a steel box, wouldn’t you?

(There’s a lot of people who call themselves “masters” and all this garbage and there sure is a lot of suggestion that –)

You are seeing it like it is, my lovely lady.  They’re “black magicians.”  It gives them...

(Is that what they’re doing?)

Some of ‘em; and most of ‘em are just soundin’ off, gettin’ themselves a sense of importance.  Most of ‘em are merely working to get over their sense of inferiority, claiming to have unusual insight, knowledges that other people don’t have.  So they got it from the inside track and they’ll dish it out to the “crumbs,” you know, that will set at their feet and learn.  And a few of ‘em do know, because they enjoy the sense of power.  I am not ever prepared to say which is which and really doesn’t matter – whether it’s a guy shot me with a 30-ought six while I was asleep when he had meant to or whether he was just out poppin’ off 30-ought six in all directions – really don’t make much difference.  I’m just as bloody either way, right?  (laughter)  So the whole thing is I watch people with 30-ought sixes. 

(Well, this being the source, it will kill the operator as fast as it will kill the other ones.)

Not necessarily.  It’s accordin’ to whether he buys it, you know.  He sometimes gets along with it for quite a while.  He’ll usually kill himself with it in due time; but in the meantime, he might have killed 10,000 people or put ‘em over here across the street [unclear what he is referring to “across the street” – may be mental institution that he refers to paragraph below].

(Wouldn’t it be killed if he just like that – what you were saying a while ago – that “transfer of energy?”)

If he meets a few people that says, “Hey buster, I don’t buy your junk,” he comes so unglued and so frustrated that he kills himself in a few minutes.

(With the Vicious Cycle?)

Yeah, well, good.  You say, “Hey, Bub, who do you think you’re kiddin’?  I heard that suggestion when I was a kid and the first time I heard it I laughed so hard I kicked the foot off my cradle.”  [He chuckles.]  And he don’t feel so important anymore, you know?  It kind of tears him up, you know?

(It tears his agreement up?)

Yeah, it tears his agreement up, right.  The next one, that’s the “transfer of energy.”  Now, you see how that goes and you hear it all over from the "masters" and from all these other great folks that send other people to mental institutions – I believe we referred to it this morning as classes for the “perfection of psychopathism.”  Okay, the next one here – somebody asked a question?

(I was just wondering…now does this have anything to do with – like in the Bible it says an “evil spirit?”)

Um-huh, that is an “evil spirit.”  A spirit is an invisible little thing – and a spirit of contention, the spirit of fear, and the spirit of hate.  And you got possessed by the spirit of fear and you’re fearful that this thing’s gonna come grab you from all directions, so he called it, the same difference.

(And this is what we try to cast out?)

Yes, dear.  It’s what we work at every day, castin’ out today.  Right?  The spirit of fear, the spirit of anxiety, the spirit of hate, the spirit of contention, the spirit of fear – oozin’ all these things.

(Well then, Dr. Bob, is that what comes out in the story about the swine?)

The legion – he run over and got in the pigs.

(And were they then the subjects of conditioning?)

What?

(The people that were they –)

Oh no, just the one he bought up – they’re still conditioned and he always told ‘em they’d probably catch it again.

(Oh, I see.)

He always told ‘em be careful or they’d get back in a worse state.  Do you remember?  So he just got out the one where like somebody laid one on her somewheres and she gets all shook up and so he laid that one out so he could see it.  So he “cast out a devil,” you see? 

(Well, why are they called “swine?”)

Well, what did they call people that was un-…they were called “swine,” weren’t they?

(Okay.  But these men who killed themselves –)

Well, they got ‘em so upset that they went down and choked themselves in their own stuff, you know.  Yeah.  You’re always choking yourself in your own little games, aren’t you? 

(I have.)

[He laughs.]  Have been known to do that, okay?  Okay?  Now, somebody asked about confession, surrender, repentance, and baptism.  Confession is to be aware of yourself – your conditioning.  In other words, to be aware that you feel all entitled to all these goodies.  And you really re-evaluate it when you have surrendered and see that you are not entitled to it.  And you then cease striation goals and repentance is to change about completely.  So, instead of workin’ for goals, you would work for a purpose this moment.  Baptism is the state of being one within yourself.  It’s being cleansed of erroneous errors and all this junk flyin’ around, okay?  That one spits up…well, we went through that.

Hypnotism, uh, is only suggestion that you’re gettin’ sleepy instead of that you’ve got “psychic attacks” comin’ after you and that the people upstairs is lookin’ out for you and that they’re givin’ us all the good dope on where to invest your money and that because you got kinda gritchy sometime or other, you caught a big bunch of crabs and so forth and so on, you know?  All of this is suggestion. 

Now, if you suggest that the person goes to sleep – “hypno” means sleep.  So you suggest that you’re sleepy and that you’re eyes are heavy; and that you’re getting tireder and tireder and your eyes feel so heavy and you want to sleep and you want to close ‘em.  You feel like you can’t but they’re so heavy you can’t keep them open and you go to sleep.  And then in that sleep state, you can deepen the amount of suggestion.  You increase the suggestibility. 

Now, you can suggest to the person the state that you’re perfectly capable of, but you know you couldn’t do it, you see?  You can suggest to the person abilities that they ordinarily have but don’t use.  So I would suggest to you that while you’re in this sleepy state and we got you under where increased your suggestibility, by getting’ you to go to sleep.  So you totally quit resisting and sayin’ “this is silly” and so forth, you know?  You go right on down. 

I would suggest that whenever I snap my fingers that whatever was in your obstruction would remove.  So we put things between lead plates and I let you look at it and I say "What do you see."  And you say "Lead plates."  So I snap my fingers and say, “The lead plates are gone now.”  Now, what do you see and you tell me what was there.  Now, you can do that right now but, you know, you couldn’t, you see?  You know you can’t see through lead plates, don’t you?  It’s what Mama told you, you couldn’t see through ‘em.  And she told you, you couldn’t see in the dark and you’d fall down if you got up in the dark without turnin’ the candle on, hmm?  Right?  And that you couldn’t see through the wall.  She told you that.  And you bought it and so did all the rest of us, okay? 

But we could only by hypnosis – is what you call “ESP” – reduce your agreed-to limitations, you know?  You know, we’ve agreed to a great number of limitations.  We’ve agreed that everything else in the world is cause and I’m a victim.  Is that right?  And we’ve agreed to that one and we couldn’t remove that under – puttin’ you to sleep, which the only purpose of putting a sleep state in the suggestion is to increase the suggestibility.  Now, most people are asleep enough that you don’t have to bother with that – just lay it on there, man.  That’s about all it takes.

(What happens in the sleep process, in the ordinary sleep process?)

You’re highly suggestible – also with anesthetic sleep you’re highly suggestible.

(What causes it?)

What do you mean “what causes it?”  The little sensor is down that’s watchin’ says, “Well, I’ll be embarrassed if I do that.”

(No, I mean what is the process by which you go to sleep – the brain process?)

I really don’t know and I’ve read every physiology book I think’s ever been printed and sleep says it’s just a slowing down and they don’t know what unhooks; but somethin’ inside the brain unhooks and you quit payin’ attention and you go to sleep.  Now, we all recognize the sleep state but did you ever try to make yourself go to sleep?  What happened? 

(I stayed awake.)

And did you ever get real sleepy and try to keep yourself awake?  Hmm?  How’d that work?  Whomp, pfft.  [Mimes abruptly dropping to sleep.]  So it is not a voluntary action – the more you attempt to control it, the less it seems to be under your control.  You can cooperate with it, but you can’t control it.  [tape slows down a bit here and his voice lowers, slows down] It is one of those functions that it is the nature of him to go to sleep every once in a while like it’s the nature of the heart to pump blood, the nature of the lungs to breathe in and exchange gases, the nature of kidneys to step toxin out of the bloodstream.  How do they do it? 
Nobody knows.  Did you know that, too?  While you’re at it, did you figure that it was all known how the kidneys secreted urine?  There is three theories and each says, “This is commonly accepted as the most commonly accepted” but none of ‘em are known.  Yeah, I thought you didn’t know that.  So we don’t know how people sleep.  We don’t know how they do a lot of things, includin’ just plain old, you know, common everyday urine – we don’t even know anything about how that stuff’s made.  We just know what it is though, see?  And if it quits makin’ ‘em, you know that, too – you get in a mess.  Okay, Donna, is your question, huh?

(What is balance?)

Balance is the apparent Law of the Universe.  It is the perfect law because it’s unbreakable.  The perfect Law of Liberty, it’s called I believe in a place or two I’ve read.  You do anything you want to and the balance will come about to it. 

(What about knowledge?)

How do you make urine?  You tell me that, which you fiddle with every day, and then I’ll tell you how the balance is produced. 

(So you can do anything you want and balance will come about?)

Right, it always does, right.  Do anything you like.  You have the perfect Law of Liberty.  Do whatever you like but the balance will be there.  Huh?

(Like retribution?)

Well, that’s a high-soundin’ word and I’m a country boy from Kentucky and I really wouldn’t know what “retribution” means, huh?

(Then how does balance work?)

So you go out and plant corn in soil that you have fertilized that’s… so it’s good rich soil… and you put X number of grains of corn in there and you put the water to it and you cultivate it and keep it weeded down and you will get a return of corn in a-keeping with a number of things there, right?  Perfectly balanced.  Now, if you don’t plant the corn and you pray for weeks that you will have a lot of corn – tell me how much corn you’ll get? 

(Is this where the law of cause and effect and Karma comes in.)

That is not cause and effect, it is balance.  The Law of Karma is another way of saying the Law of Balance – it’s only using a Sanskrit word instead of the plain old English word that we all know about; and you know we can sound, say “Karma” and it sounds very high and dignified and we…huh?

(And mystical.)

And mystical; but if you just say “balance,” you got a kid’s saw and a seesaw board and it is only the Sanskrit word for balance.  And it’s always balance now, not over eons of time, okay?  This is another thing that the Karma implies – that we got “so long to pay for it.”  So, it is really rather close-quartered like in one season, okay?  But it is only another word for balance.  Not cause and effect, now.  Cause and effect there is no such thing – balance. 

(How about grace?)

Oh, “grace” – what is grace? 

(We talk about a temporary delay of the balance.)

So what’s the grace period – that’s the “undeserved good,” you know?  If you go out and get real angry or you mistreat somebody today, the balance would be that you would know the consequences immediately.  But as it is, you usually have anywheres from three to four days ‘fore you get your cold and your sniffles and then you forgot all about it and you don’t see it hooked together.  So that’s the little grace period, you know – the undeserved time that you had comin’ while it balanced – got around the Vicious Cycle.  In other words, this don’t go bing, bing, bing, bong.  It goes bing [he pauses] bong [pause] bink, BLIP!  Way over here some other time, see?  But it’s always there to balance.

(It always comes to balance?)

Aw, it’s gonna get there, but you have such time lag, which is “grace,” that you don’t see the connection and that keeps us in eternal ignorance, do you see?  That says, “I didn’t do it, it happened to me.”  So grace is not the greatest thing that was ever givin’ you.  It’s kind of a dirty trick X played on you so you wouldn’t catch on unless you was smart.  [He laughs.] 

(Does the grace period stop?)

Oh yeah, sure.  Don’t be so sure you want too much of it because you won’t ever catch on if you get too much of it.  You see, it’s somethin’ you’re not deserved at all.  It would really be bing, bing, bing, bing, one right after the other.  You go get mad – three minutes later you’re body’s full of a false feeling of emergency juice, you have chemical imbalance and neuromuscular tension starts adapting and then you would learn quick not to get mad, wouldn’t you?  But the good Lord give you grace...

(Why?)

Well, he’s got a sense of humor.  (laughter)  Don’t you ever notice that people that… (more laughter)  Didn’t you ever notice that when somebody kinda understands, they get “unsentimental.”

(That doesn’t sound right.)  (lots of laughter)

I know it’s not sentimental enough for you; but you see you got some undeserved good and anytime you get somethin’ you “undeserved,” you have to pay for it by years of ignorance, do you see? 

(What?)

Some undeserved goods, you have to pay for it – Balance is the Law of the Universe.  So man said, well, he didn’t want to know about it, he wanted to put off payin’ his bills, you know, he wanted “timed” payments.  And X said, “Fine, you can have time payments; I won’t collect ‘til Wednesday.”  And…but you gonna – and then by Wednesday, you’ve forgotten what it was you did today, you know, you forgot that temper tantrum you throwed this mornin’ at 10 o’clock.  Um-hmm.  And Wednesday afternoon, you begin to get headaches and your throat gets sore and your belly gets to runnin’ off and you begin to wonder, “Well, what in the world has hit me.  I’ve been good all day – I haven’t done a thing, nothin’.  I haven’t been upset for weeks and it couldn’t be any of those Vicious Cycles.  It must be somethin’ bit me.”  Um-hmm!  And so you had some “undeserved goods.”  You had three days of goin’ along feelin’ pretty good; but you got to pay for that three days by more and more years of ignorance, of not knowin’ what’s goin’ on.  So just don’t ask for too much grace while you’re at it, please?  For your own well-being.

(Unclear)

[Studying the board:]  Balance, we got that there, okay?  Suggestions, we got.  [The room is quiet while Dr. Bob draws on the board.]

Now, here is “Man,” hmm – all split up in there.  That is the man, right?  And this is the life that has to be “crucified,” hmm?  Now, if it is crucified – which is a way of saying re-evaluated it, got it looked at – then this dies as a motivator as its present form.  You still do the same thing but for an entirely different reason.  So the old man and his deeds are stripped off or is dead – it’s the point when the man wants to die, huh?  And then if he does die, then he is transformed, resurrected, or reincarnated, whatever fancy word you want to use, into a living, Aware Being, huh? 

Now, we have X – Christ, if you wish – and we have Body and we have a Function down here.  This is the Glorified or the Integrated Man or the Complete Man – perfected, which only means completed.  You know, “Be ye perfect as the Father in heaven.”  Be you complete, all in one.  Now, this one is a very incomplete because he’s part animal, part man, right?  And he’s part Christ – he has the potential of being, but he has to crucify the man and he’s crucified between two thieves.  Here’s one thief and here’s the other one and here’s the man that was trying to choose between the two and he has to be crucified between the two thieves.

(unclear)

And said “Kinda have a little mercy on me” and he said, “Fine, I’ll take you along and use you, huh?  “You might prove useful.”

(The one you called a “thief?”)

Sure.

(unclear)

Right!  Who cares if you’re a thief, long as you get conscious, man.  That’s the only evil mentioned in the scripture is to be unconscious.  You know the “unjust steward”?  He’s the guy that is workin’ for a guy.  And the guy’s got him all caught up and caught him for being unjust and he wants to fire him.  He said, “Man, what I got to do?”  Pfft, pfft.  “Gotta get conscious.”  He went out and said, “How much do you owe the boss?”  He said, “A hundred dollars.”  “Make it fifty.”  “How much you owe the boss?”  Said, “A hundred and fifty.”  Pfft.  “Put him down for seventy-five.”  “How much you owe the boss?”  And he was praised for it because he was conscious.  The rest of ‘em would have got all excited and ran off and committed suicide or somethin’. 

You know, the only evil is to be unconscious.  What are you given?  The greatest Gift and you can elect it, the Conscious Mind, which is called the “Christ Mind,” dear.  And we have to crucify this.  So here was the “crucifixion.”  You had a little of this but it was between two thieves.  So this is thievin’ and usin’ up things and this is a-thievin’ and usin’ it up, and so the crucifixion.  Did you ever notice that a man looks somethin’ like this?  [Draws a picture of a man with arms extended horizontally.]  That is the grand symbol. 

So Christ said, “Pick up your cross” or “Pick up this whole body and come along with me.”  Way back down the road and “follow me into the regeneration.”  Follow me into gettin’ rid of all this junk and being…what are we always workin’ at when we have one of these meetings?  To “regenerate”ourselves, renew, be made new without all the junk on it, is that right?  And we invite each and everybody to come along to us with… to the regeneration, is that right?  What’s the regeneration?  A renew, a rebirth, a reincarnation, hmm?

(Resurrection?)

Resurrection, whatever word you want to make it – the Phoenix bird who burned him up and he rose out of his own ashes and all these symbols is the same old thing, okay?  Symbolic all over the world – get rid of your conditioning, rise up as a Conscious Being.  Does that answer your question, dear one?

(Yes, sir.)

Good.  Let’s be conscious, or you follow with us along to the regeneration.  Call it any other name you want – a rebirth.  No, you’re not that you got to be reborn or to be reincarnated or to be resurrected – it all means the one in the same thing, you know?  It’s all the same words, just used accordin’ to the particular language that you may be associated with.  Don’t expect that if they ever bury you out in the cemetery, that the old body’s gonna get up and run gather up all the pieces left at the various hospitals over the country that they cut out and put it all together and take off, huh? 

(Why doesn’t that fit, you know, all piecemeal?)

Lost.  Won’t that be fun?  Run to all the barber shops and at the junk yards and get all the pieces of hair been cut off and get all the fingernails, toenails, the appendixes.  Can you imagine the overpopulation run when they all start runnin’, getting’ those spare parts they left layin’ around in the various soap factories, huh? 

(And, you know, right now, you choose your grave so it’s –)

Be sure it’s facin’ east so you’ll see Him first.

(You’ll be near someone else so when you’re resurrected.)

You can jump up and smooch each other and all that junk.  That is, of course, unadulterated what?  Black magic, witchcraft to sell good high-priced cemetery lots and to get embalming done was a great thing and can you imagine somebody with sawdust in their skull bones jumpin’ up and runnin’ around doin’ things?  Did you know that’s what they do down at the mortician – take a brain out and put sawdust in there, and I think some of those have been resurrected.  [He chuckles.]  I think I met some of those.  

(This is like the beautiful concept of the family that is, you know –)

Yes, dear.  [Singing:]  “Oh, will that circle be unbroken?”  Right.  Right, right.  Right, “Oh, will that circle be unbroken” – and everybody can get all bleary-eyed and...

(We’re all goin’!)  (That was a beautiful thought, really.)

It makes you feel safe and gives you a bottle of pap, and did you read back in the book that the man said, “Look, you’re not strong enough, you still need pap – you need the teat suckling.  And when you get strong I’ll give you some meat,” huh?

(I’ll feel good now when I see someone die.)

Why?

(Well, I don’t know –)  

[He chuckles.]  Good riddance and be done with it.

(I always thought well I’ll see ‘em again, you know?)

Well, anytime you turn on and look in your head, you can see ‘em again, can’t you?  You can image up a picture of ‘em all you want to, can’t you?

(Isn’t that what we’re doing now?  Making images of what we want to look at.)

Well.

(What about out-of-body experiences?)

That’s a good one, it gets you a good suggestion.  How about a dream?  Did you have a dream last night? 

(I’m sure I did but I don’t remember it.)

Well, did you ever have a dream where you was way off somewheres in a different city from where you live and everything?

(Oh, yeah.)

Yeah, yeah.  And did you ever just lay down and let the mind go flip, flip, flip, and just kind of follow it and not control it at all?  And did you ever begin to experience all sorts of strange little things that was in different places than where the body was parked?  It’s called “soul travel.”  There’s a guy over at Las Vegas, he’ll help you do it, he’ll get you out in that little “trans-” state.  Ol’ Twitch he – Ol’ Twitch’ll get you out there for a fee.  Okay.  It’s only a beautiful game of “kiddin’ myself,” is that right?  And, of course, if you didn’t get any experiences, the others looked down on you because –

(I thought there was something wrong with me.)

Right, the only thing wrong with you is you was halfway honest about it, do you see?  The rest of ‘em saw the King’s clothes and they went to South America and they went to Alaska and they went over to Siberia and the whole place, didn’t they?  And some of ‘em even went to other planets.  Some of ‘em went to Kolob and come back, went to headquarters. [chuckling]

(Yeah.)

Yeah, and they went and saw somebody standin’ somewheres beggin’ and so they all got together and sent nice prayers to that one over there and that hustler in the brothel over in Siam or somewheres. 

(Is that like meditation?)

Well, what’s meditation?  You see now, if you call these things where you lay down and close your little eyeballs and you get all kinds of pictures runnin’ through your head, yes, same difference.  ‘Course I wouldn’t call that meditation – that is a nasty word for me, but that’s all right.  I wouldn’t call that “meditation.”  You know what I told ‘em it was but I won’t repeat it here. 

(I know you didn’t agree with them.)

You notice they quit when Robert come around, didn’t you, huh?  [He chuckles.]  It took a little while, but it got quit, huh? 

(unclear)

Meet me out back of the house and I’ll tell you after while.  (everybody talks)

(I’m not talkin’ about this – but what does “meditation” mean to you?)

Well, it means to consider one subject until you fully see it completely.  And so one of the things like re-evaluation – you would look at the inner mind, see how it works, what’s motivatin’ you and really look at it long enough to see it until you re-evaluate it and that would be “meditating.”  Meditating means to consciously look at something and not distract all over the place.  Now, all this business of layin’ down and gettin’ your mind…

(On one point?)

Well, one subject not one “point” in this, but keepin’ your mind on one subject ‘til you really see the subject.  It’s like workin’ a problem – you don’t jump over and read the funny paper and then go back and do one by that and then run do your tax return and then go have a date.  And all this business of sittin’ down and closin’ your little eyeballs and watchin’ pictures run through your head – is a bunch of junk, you know?  It’s a river – it’s just watchin’ dreams; it’s daydreamin’, that’s all.  You know, it just watchin’ synapses, images make in your mind.  Then you put big meanings on ‘em and you really got excited, you know?  It’s kind of like gettin’ on a cheap drunk or…

(Can you see visions during that time?)

Oh, you can hallucinate.  You can get all kinds of little flip, flips.  You can get audio visual and the whole bit in there because you just turned the brain loose and let it run and it’s havin’ fun.  So you’re sittin’ down and watchin’ what you’re doin’ inside and playin’ with yourself, so that’s all.  [He chuckles]  That’s what it amounts to.

(What about like the fella that jumped –)

Dr. Ireland?  [Referring to Dr. Richard Ireland, a “psychic” who wore blindfolds so he couldn’t see his subjects.]  Well, why don’t you go over and [chuckles], okay, wears a blindfold, doesn’t he?

(Yeah.)

Okay.  Sometime you can get you a blindfold and do likewise if you like doin’ your livin’ that way – be sure you get the right kind of blindfold so if I should pick it up and put it on you like this…[Mimes putting on a blindfold.]  Now, you see, you can’t see a thing; but if I put it on like this I can pick the hairs out of your eyebrows.  [He chuckles]

(You’re terrible!)

You can buy those for a very cheap price.  I think they cost about six dollars apiece.

(How much was the last one?)

How much it cost?  About six, isn’t it, Chris?

(Yeah.)

The last one I saw was six dollars.

(You can make it yourself.)

Well, you can make it for yourself much cheaper, but you can buy a professional made-up one for about six dollars.  And I’ll show you, you can’t see through it – I’ll put you on that way and then I’ll pull it back this way and put it on me and I can’t see anything.  [Chuckling:]  Whoo!  Well, this is an entertainer – he’s not tryin’ to kid anybody.  He’s workin’ in a nightclub as an entertainer.  More power to him – proud of him.  He’s not out puttin’ on a show and tellin’ you he’s in contact with the great beyond and he’s the one and only that got it through and that he has been ordained to tell you all about it and you’ve got to follow it and believe it or else you’ll go to perdition.  At least he’s workin’ in a nightclub and admittin’ what he’s doin’ – he’s puttin’ on a show.  Hmm?

(What do the Scriptures mean when they’re talkin’ about “ordained from on high?”)

“Given power.”  And who did you ordain from on high?  The subconscious mind to run your life – that’s the black man, that’s the negro – IN YOU – not because of the color of his skin down the street.  It’s given the dark powers inside you the authority.  You gave it power or authority to run your life and you finally have never given the Consciousness the authority to run your life.  You’ve always left it in charge of this, is that right?

(And that’s this “Cain,” right?)

That’s old Cain, that’s the mark of the dark man – that’s why you don’t ordain the black man to have the priesthood or give him power [referring to the Mormon Church that at that time didn’t allow African Americans to hold what they call “the Priesthood”.] – it’s within you, but you did, you see?  And then they kid theirselves about some poor guy’s hide, you know?  When we’ve all ordained the black man within us to run the show.  Is that right?  You ordained him.

(Within me?)

Yeah, the black man within you, the dark, the unenlightened, the ignorant – unenlightened is all it means – “black” – that’s Cain, the mark of Cain.  Most everybody went after the way of Cain and ordained the black man with all his secret combinations.

(Are there still any ordinances that we have to have performed on us?)

Ordinances?  Like circumcision and some of those?

(Laying on of hands.  Yeah, I mean, you know –)

Well, I know most of us have had somethin’ laid on us.  I don’t know whether it was hands or somethin’ but I think it seems that most of us can’t get along without somebody layin’ one on us; but that’s all right.

(Well, like some people get…they really do, be able to get the ordinances.)

What ordinances?

(Of God’s.)

I went – did you ever go ask Him what His ordinances were or did you take some man told you what the ordinances were?

(Of course, I never got a direct line.)

Well, I’d get it direct one before I got very concerned about it, okay?  And if He told you that you had to go wash your feet on Tuesday, why this’d be all right, go take care of it.

(By taking sacraments or –)

Yeah, any of those good things.  Yeah, I’d get it from Headquarters not from some joker that may and may not have gotten it straight.  He might’ve had a hallucination he came up with.  ‘Cause it’s funny that if they all got it from Headquarters, it looks like they would’a got it the same way, doesn’t it? 

(But they’re very different.)

That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

(There’s such variation and yet you can see it all goes back to the same thing.)

Yeah, they all started back from the first good shaman down the road, yeah. 

(It’s not of its own self –)

And do you suppose that man of his own self started it in the first place?  It’s a good highly “posiblé” [giving “possible” the Spanish pronunciation], isn’t it?  “Posiblé.”  [He laughs]

(But why would some men who don’t even know each other, have never heard of each other, still come up with something that is similar?)

Because they knew somebody that each one of ‘em knew – that didn’t know each other, dear, that’s very easy.  I came up talkin’ the English language just like your husband does – similarly, not too much alike I admit, but kind of similar – and I never did know him at all.

(How about that?)

How ‘bout that?  And you have thought, “Oh, sounds like a bunch of those others I’ve heard,” and you didn’t know them I know.  But how’d you ever do that without knowin’ that person I knew?

(Extra-sensory?)  (laughter)

Now you answered your own question.  Is that all right now?  We don’t have to get it from each other in order to get it from the same general line of sources, you know – it’s arrows runnin’ all over the place.  That answer your question, honey?

(unclear)

Right.  Oh, and they know all about the good Masonic symbols and everything, right.  Because it was taught all over the world.

(The same old Masonic symbols?)

Oh yeah, they got a whole slew of ‘em runnin’ around.  They’ve gone all over the world, dear.  Ol’ Wiley Post went up and got – cranked up his little old plane up in Alaska – and went out there and started fiddlin’ around with those Eskimos and he went to the Thirty-Third Degree and they went on and he couldn’t follow them.  They went on and he couldn’t go and they said he was a – he was just an apprentice.  They didn’t fool with him anymore.  They wanted to see the head man.  [He chuckles]  They had followed – he was a Thirty-Third Degree Mason.

(Oh.)

And they had certain little responses they could do to each other and they’d play backwards and forwards respondin’.  When they went through thirty-third, they went on and he couldn’t reply and they said, “Where’s your boss?”  [He chuckles.]  So, these have been all over the world.  The world is not just 6,000 years old – it’s been around a long, long time.  And certain of these Teachings have been around for thousands upon thousands of years so naturally they would run into each other.  Is that all right, dear? 

And they have symbolic meaning and baptism has a symbolic meaning – if it means to go get yourself dipped in that pool over there and that that’s gonna do somethin’ to you and get you all “un-disintegrating,” I’ll buy it.  But if it’s only a symbol that you got this done, then I would say, “Well, what difference does it do whether you do the symbol or not – you do the real thing,” okay?  And the laying on of hands is the transferring of knowledge.  If you have received the Teaching, fine; but if you only get the hands, forget it.  They mighta had germs on ‘em even.  (laughter)

(unclear)

Well that’s a good word for any Life Principle within – X, Christ, Life Principle – according to who writes it and where he puts it and how he wants to put it together, okay?  Some people use it one way and some use it another.  And you don’t get it by layin’ it on.  But the Holy Ghost is the name of the Teachings and if it comes out clean and straight, it will give you Understanding, Life, and it’s always with you.  And the laying on of hands is only symbolically that you have been accepted as a student.

(All right.)

And if you don’t get the hands laid on and get the Teachings, fine.  But you get the hand layin’ on, does that smartin’ you up any, kid? 

(Oh, yeah.)

Does that get rid of any of your stuff?  No!  But you see all of these are symbolic of how people were admitted to schools when schools had to be awful careful or the guy…got a guy’s head cut off.

(Why do they keep sayin’ – try to organize a church?)

Well, you have to ask them why they want to lie, I don’t know; but there is no indications of such.

(But they keep trying.)

Well, go ask “they” – I didn’t do it.

(Well, because we have apostles.  Well, we know he had apostles.)

Which means he had some students and so does every teacher that ever lived has had some students.

(An apostle is a student?)

An apostle is a student, right.

(That’s what an apostle is?)

A student – one’s an advanced student, an “inner circle” student and the other one is the “under student,” right?  And he had students like every teacher had and so will every other teacher has ‘em and they don’t organize a church.  That is always done by men who’d missed, tangled up the Teachings, tried to make an organization – the very people that this teacher you’re talkin’ about criticized the Scribes and the Pharisees and he said, “Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, you’ve loaded grievous burdens on people and you haven’t even lifted your little finger to get it off,” right?  He was talkin’ about all this conditioning and loads and all these rituals and things that you got and so forth, huh?  You gotta go this and you do this and if you do that real well and if you didn’t, shouldn’t like it while you’re doin’ it, why that’s terrible, too, and all these good things, huh?  And he called those all kinds of dirty names and as soon as he got out of the way, they started organizing it right back down the road and went right on through.

(And they thought they were good people.)

Oh, I’m sure they’re wonderful people, dear – they know what’s right, proper, and justifiable.  And they “know” the symbol is the thing, hmm?  So, if you get your hands, somebody’s hands, laid all over you, you know; it may be fun, it may be interesting, but it won’t get you smarted up.  If you get admitted to a school – which that is the symbol of – then you have received the Holy Teachings of the Holy Grail, the Holy Spirit – Spirit always means the Teachings of something or the nature of something, okay?  I hope you have the Holy Spirit, but you won’t get it because somebody comes up and “ooooh,” pops you on the top of the head, dear.  Even though they put olive oil on it and make grease marks with it, it still don’t do you any better, okay?  Ashes on Wednesday and...

(What does the church, my church is mentioned in the Bible –)

It’s not in the original Teachings.  It’s not in there, that’s not in there.

(It’s in the Bible so much – you can see –)

You go get it and bring it down and show it to me will you please?  I want to see which one you got that in and I’ll find you one that don’t have it in it.  [He chuckles.]

(Maybe Saint James.)

Saint James.  Saint James never wrote a Bible.  He only wrote one little bitty tiny book, huh? 

(I think mine’s the St. James Version.)

There is no Saint James version, dear.

(Okay, King James version.)

Okay, well old King James, he got down there a long time ago and he had a vested interest in havin’ a church ‘cause he was the head of it, wasn’t he? 

(Is he the one who put the church in there, the word the “church?”)

Well, you go check it out.  He didn’t write the book, he had some of his henchmen to do it.  But you go check it out before you got to it, okay? 

(I’ve never heard such a thing.)

Right.  So you get all churned up in the head over nothin’.  So if you call the church a school, you might get pretty close with it.  And when you quit usin’ it as a school, it becomes a social order or something where you have to attend under pain of ex-communication first and then purgatory and perdition and hell later, why you can kind of forget it.  Okay?  You know, those are only things that put people in bondage, not liberate them.  Okay?  Another question anywheres?  Yes, Jeannie?

(What is the Bible?)

It’s a book.

(Well, I know.)

That’s what the word “Bible” means – “book.”

(Well, what is the stuff contained in it?)

What is the stuff contained in it?  Words. 

(Come on, let’s don’t –)

Well, that’s about all there is in it is words, and then it’s up to you what you make the words mean to you.  The meaning has to be in you; otherwise, it’s just words. 

(Well, I know but some people really don’t know and want to understand it.)

They want a kind of understanding and another one gets another one because their conditioning is between what they read and what is there, right?  So, the book is kind of like a letter and if you know what the man’s talkin’ about, then it’s like getting a letter from home.  If you don’t know what it’s about, it’s got a bunch of superstition for you.

(Well, in my case, I know better but when I read something I don’t understand, that’s when –)

Right.  Well, I believe I’d just let it alone until I knew more about Jeannie and then you can read that book and it might be more like gettin’ a letter from home, but at the moment, it’s only a frustrating mess.  Okay? 

(unclear)

When you think you’re helpin’ somebody, you’re nosin’ in their affairs. 

(Don’t be a missionary.)

Don’t be a missionary.  When you get over that impulse, you’ll straighten it up a little bit.  When you’re gonna help people all you’re doin’ is lookin’ down on ‘em, makin’ yourself feel better.  Don’t help anybody unless they…yeah, don’t help people.  Don’t see any reason to helpin’ people.

(Some years ago I went to something and this man wanted to know about “believers” and so on.  I hesitate in asking anybody.  What’s the difference?)

Well, tell him to find out. 

(And he said, “Can you tell me – [unclear]?”)

No.

(Just tell him to go off?)

No, I don’t know, where is he?

(Ontario, Canada.)

Well, I don’t know, ask him why he wants to be reborn, what’s wrong with the one he’s got?  I believe that’s the first one I’d drop on him.  And then when he replies to that, maybe by that time you’ll figure out the next answer, okay?  Ask him what’s wrong with the life he’s livin’.  If he don’t like this one, he sure wouldn’t like the reborn one.  If you don’t like this Earth, you wouldn’t like Heaven.  So I would ask him why he wants to be reborn…other than it’s somebody tells it out as seein’ the King’s clothes and he hasn’t seen the King’s clothes yet so he’s gettin’ desperate about it.  Isn’t that it?  That’s it, isn’t it?  He’s revved up.

(He thinks he must be reborn.)

Yeah, he’s gotta be “born again,” right, before you do so and so, huh?  Before you enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  And so if he don’t like this world and he don’t like what he is, he has no chance to be reborn or enter the Kingdom either so he might as well forget it, anyways.  So what’s he doin’ with this one?  You know?  Then he might figure out how to be reborn; but I would not attempt to answer his question – I would answer his question in the old Jewish manner with a question.  Sure.  Blessings said you was one of the Hebrew tribes anyways, so act like it and answer his question with a question.  (laughter)  Okay?  All right, another question?

(What’s that mean?)

It’s a good joke.  Let’s call it a day.  We have enjoyed being here with Phoenix again and hope we get back one day…

[END OF CD #9 OF 9; END OF WORKSHOP]

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