Workshop - Scottsdale, AZ - Obstructions to Abundance - 1969 - Part 2 of 4

OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE
Scottsdale, AZ 1969
by
Robert Rhondell Gibson

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OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE - Scottsdale, AZ 1969
CD #3 OF 9

....Well, before you start givin' 'em as treats for bein' good, you give them candy, you know?  And then you say, "You’ve gotta eat your vegetables before you get your dessert."  So, the dessert is the only good part of it, you know.  Then the rest of it is the price you pay to get the goodies.  (Laughter)  This is the way you train your kids, isn't it, huh?  Isn't that right?  Is that the way you've done it?

(You bet.)

These vegetables are horrible, they're a chore, but you've got to eat them before you get the real good stuff.  So, we make all this sweets and “ick” stuff into being the most desirable thing in the world.  What did you say – they tell me I can't have it and what?

(Then that’s what I want.)

That's what you want.  So, they said you gotta eat yours.  And if you do give 'em dessert, give it to 'em first – not at the end of the meal, at the beginning.

(Repeat that again – what you said?)

If you're gonna furnish dessert, set it out first.  Now, we run a little experimental station out at Malibu and we give Chuck his dessert first and then he eats a good dinner.  (Laughter) 

(That’s right, Dr. Bob.)

That right, Chuck? 

(It seems to work that way.)

It works all right.  It works fine.  But really if you're gonna give kids dessert, for goodness sake, give it to 'em first, you know?  That's when they want it, isn't it? 

(Uh-huh.)  (Physiologically, that’s…well, I guess that theory –) 

Huh? 

(Physiologically, the reason why they tend to eat certain portions first –)

Well, not necessarily, it’s orderly that way – the good manners.  [He chuckles]  No, it really doesn't make any difference.

(They seem to go through quite a thing about the order you take food –)

Well, because that’s the way it is and he makes it have little use to it there.

(When he came to that part, I didn’t agree –)

You didn't agree with.

(No, it didn’t seem right.)

Yeah, especially the things where you cleaned up the crevices and fumigated the whole deal and so forth – that didn’t fit.  [He laughs.]  You see, those are only explanations anyway but the point is, can you let X there tell the Awareness what it wants and the Awareness have the job of getting it this circumstance?  Or do you tell X what it's gotta take and make the best of it and you better well like it 'cause I know more than you do?  Isn't that about what we really say? 

In all our theoretical living, we tell Spirit that built the body that our little educated mind knows so much more about it than It does.  Now, talk about somethin' gettin' too big for its britches!  This little educated mind that has gathered up a little information and its going to tell this Spirit – which has been building bodies of all kinds for millions of years and has invented this – that I know more about runnin' its body than it does, huh? 

Every once in a while somebody remarks that Robert looks a little younger than he's supposed to but, nevertheless, they never allow that it's because I let X run most of it.  They tell me over and over how wrong I am about the way I'm doin’ it; but, you know, they're really tellin’ X, not me, 'cause I have no theories about it.  It varies from moment to moment accordin’ to what X hollers.  But, you know, it gets along a lot better when you do it that way; but you can't trust that, could you?  ‘Cause you read Spock and you read a few of these other things and they know! 

(Dr. Bob, we’ve been told that –)

By Dr. “Ben Told.”  (Laughter)

(Well, that’s just what we’ve been told.)

Right, you want some more clichés?  I’ve got dozens of 'em, honey. 

(That is the “doctrine.”)

Right.  And what is doctrine besides a cliché?  That’s what a doctrine is – is a cliché isn't it? 

(If it’s true – typical?)

That's my cliché; but if it's yours, it's just a cliché, but if it's mine, it's what?

(The truth.)

Doctrine, right down the line and, of course, doctrine means “in-doctor-ation” [indoctrination], and another word for “in-doctor-ation” means “condition.”  [He laughs.]  Doesn't it?  Isn’t that what “doctrine” means?  Is that right, Doctor Lynn?  Right down the line.  You’re “indoctorated”, then you are conditioned a certain way, so your doctrine is what you're “in-doctor-ated” with and, you know, when your doctored, you're patched up.  And, you know, when you say you can “doctor up” somethin’, why you’re gonna patch it up a little bit – is that right?

(That’s right.)

And so that's what your doctrine is – it’s patched-up stuff, you know, conditioning.  But the point is, do you see that to help yourself is fine?  Help yourself is to pay attention to what X is tellin' you – not go figure it all out and tell X what to do – see, it’s a little difference there.  So, it does work with you if you are intelligent. 

But how many of us are intelligent or have we attended those colleges of perfection of psychopathism [Note definition: The practice of a person actually believing every crazy notion he or she has said over time, often times resulting in he or she acting on it] until we have eliminated the whole idea of God within?  And we've said, “Fine, we'll have a God, but we'll put him off out there and then He won't bug me anymore,” you know?  Huh?  He won't bug me, He won't bother, He won't interfere in my affairs – get the old man out of the way.  But if he's livin' right here with you every moment, then you're in constant communication every minute and isn't this what you've always dreamed of wanting was to be in constant communion with God every minute?

(Then I'd know what to do.)

And you do if you – no, you won't know what to do – you report the truth and He knows what to do.  You see, you can't trust Him to do it – you got to know what to do, right? 

(You gotta do it.)

But you are in constant communion with God if you will allow it – every minute – you're a one Spiritual being and we'll know it if we can but see it.  And quit gettin' all of our little theories to know how to run it.  We're always in communication.  And you know somethin' – it knows ever’thing.  You don't have to get theories, do you?  Don't have to read the masters of the Far East and their lives by Spaulding or anything else, you know?  You can just go right on down the road and it's always a minute.  You don't have to get all these formulas.  What do we read books for, you know?  What do you read books for?  You know?

(I want to learn.)

And what do you want to learn?

(“How.”)  (Yeah, “how.”)

How to do what?  Because, you know, there's no Spirit that knows how to make a body – good night!  You got to figure it all out yourself, haven’t you, baby?  Huh?  Or did you just find out it got started?  Huh?  And that you better watch it or you won't make it right – you better go see the doctor ever’ week because if you don't, you're liable to goo-goo and not do it right.  [He laughs.]  Right?  Go every week and be sure you see your doctor every two weeks at least because you're liable to goof up and make an error and make it with three ears or somethin' before you get through.  [He chuckles.]

(But then it’s proof that you’re not educated at all?)

It means not conditioned at all, okay?

(Well, from past experience…how do you know when you’re receiving premium “knowledge”…or like how would I if I didn’t read a book and study?)

Read a book and see and then you can find out how, honey.

(I mean you yourself said that He doesn’t think in human –)

Right, but you sure does know when He says your ear hurts, don't you?

(Well, physically yes, but how about conditions, you know and –)

How about knowin' the future?  You see, you're again wanting to say, “I can't trust Him to do it – you tell me and then I'll check it out and see if it's the right thing.”  All the doing you will never figure out, you know?  You want to do something you can’t –

(Not much security in me.  Don’t have any of it.)

Who showed you how to put your hands up and protect yourself?  Did you learn how to...

(No, I –)

It does it automatically right there, okay?  So all you do is report “what is.”  You don't need to know because it already does the knowing.  And what our chore is is to report “what is” and we're so busy tryin' to figure out what to do, we never report “what is” – so we stay in a state of struggle, conflict and resistance from mornin', noon, and night because we want to be the one that does the doin’, you know?

(Oh, I see – you just keep asking yourself…I guess, really, is open my big mind.)

Because you aren't doing anything except strugglin', conflict, and resistance.  Because if you report what's goin' on – you know, when I walked over here and picked up your purse, you reported “that nut has got somethin' comin' up here,” and appropriate thing done, didn’t it?  And that time you said, “He's not gonna get it,” and so you didn't dodge, you see? (Laughter)  But do you see that in the doing, always, you can't do anything.  You can't even wiggle a finger.  You can't bat an eye.  Do you know how to bat your eyelid? 

(I can’t either.)

No, you can be aware that that's what you want to do and X bats it because you haven't the faintest idea how to move an eyelid, do you?  Do you know how to wiggle your finger?  You can be aware that's what you want to do and it'll move the finger, is that right?  You can't do nothin' and we do all this struggle of what?  “How” to do!  You know there's jillions of books written on “how to,” huh? 

(If she hadn’t told herself that you weren’t gonna hit her with the purse, would her reflexes have come up and make it come up – her hand?)

No she's stuck in it.  No, she just told X, “He's goofin' off and playin' games here, he's not gonna hit me.”

(Oh no, but the second time I told myself, “I know he's gonna hit me…and I’m still not gonna move.”)

Then she said, “But he's not going to”...what she said was that, “X, he's gonna play a little game, but He's not gonna hurt me.”  That's what you really said, right?  And you don't know me very well; you better start tellin' him the truth.  [Laughter]

(In school one time, you know, you’d have on a suit and they’d cut off –)

Cut off your tie.  Do you see?  I've been there.

(I remember thinking, “Oh, she won’t do that.”)  (Lots of laughter)  (I just sat there with a big grin on my face, acting –)

Acted like you liked it but she whacked it off.  You see, this is the kind of tie you wear to Pinnacle Peak.  [He laughs]  But you see, our whole struggle and conflict and resistance is on figurin' out “how.”  And we act like we're gonna discover it sometime and I got some news for you in case you're interested – you'll never know how to even wiggle a finger.  Your job is to be Awareness, not the General. 

You see insubordination'll get you in trouble.  [Draws the Picture of Man on the board, then indicates it:]  Here is the Intelligence Corps, which is the brains, etcetera and it is reporter to X, which is the Wise General, and you're not – that’s X, Spirit that you're in constant communication with.  “The Father within, He doeth the work”, etcetera.  But we're not interested in that – we want to be the big cheese and Him do this, huh?  We want God to tell us so I'll know what to do, isn't that the way you got it figured out?  ‘Bout right, Genevieve?  You want God to tell you so you'll know what to do?

(That's correct.)

Right.  That right?  And it works the other way around. 

(But the way we’re taught is to study to learn something.)

Uh-huh, to see what? 

(We’re told that then we’ll be able to –)

Hmm-mm.  And do we? 

(Yeah, but –)

But do we learn what goes on so that we can report and X does the work?  Now, you want to learn to fly an airplane, you report to X what those buttons does and It’ll fly the airplane. 

(But you have to find out what the buttons do.)

Right, that's all.  You just go tell – you find out about the buttons and that's what technical education is, is to find what button does what but not how to do it.

(And you’re not ever going to learn it if you didn’t get the technical training.)

Right, right.  So, you know what the buttons are – that's all you learn in technical school, isn't it, is what the button does.  So you learn to tell X this button drops the left wing.  This button here makes it climb.  This button here turns on the tail burner and that's it.

(Well, to get the manual dexterity, you’ve got to learn –)

What?  Well, so that you're tellin' it over and over that this is what works, you see?  But again, it does the work of the manual dexterity and the thing that interferes with manual dexterity is the person tryin' to figure out how to do it.  You remember when you started drivin' a car?  You just wanted to know “how” to drive the car – and when you got so you could look to see where you was goin', the car runs a lot smoother, doesn't it, Robert?  Runs a lot smoother.  When you look where you're goin' and don't figure out about “how” to drive the car, I'll ride with you.  But when you're still tryin' to figure out “how”, you go get the other guy to do it.  ‘Cause you gonna be all over the street – jumpin', startin', hittin' cars in the backend and throwin' me through the windshield and givin’ me whiplashes from sudden stops and all that stuff, huh?

(Would an explanation be that we are so conditioned, you know, that they’re a distant adversary or, you know, taking up sides…  That we’re so terribly worried automatically that something from X feel it’s coming from me, you know?  And that’s what we worry bout mainly.)

Um-huh.  And so then we got all this down here and so we never one, either one – X not gonna tell you about His business – It does it while you're wonderin' about it.  But we are conditioned, as you say, to think in opposites – to have this as the devil and this as our God.  And we've got a false God and a false devil and get all concerned with 'em instead of “knowing ourselves.”  The first step is what?  Know self!  [Writes it on the board.]  Without that, all the rest of your efforts are in vain anyway.  You see?  Over and over it comes back to this.  Now, we forget it so quick and we want to operate without at that moment knowing self.  But you see, knowing self is not somethin' you learn, put in a book, and file the certificate away on the top shelf or have it framed.  It is something you're doing every moment.  See, Lynn?

(Now, when you study, like physiology, you study our body functions –)

That's one part of knowin’ self.

(That's part of knowing the self; and then sometimes that may throw us off into an explanation of –)

Because a lot of times that isn't your physiology, it's somebody's theory about it.  But if you never had a book in the world, you could know physiology in you.  You may not be able to pass the state board with it, but you'd know how you work.  You would know what does what in the body.  All our classes, are they not, are concerned with self-knowledge.  Now, we use it as technique.  You can misuse it – try to make a technique, a “how-to” and all sorts of things out of it.  But it essentially is a little bit of expansion of knowing self over and over and over, is it not?  Knowing self.  Now, when you know self then you can see what's goin' on. 

Now, we asked when we started this time not to take too many notes if possible and not be runnin' tape recorders so you could see what effect certain statements or etcetera would have on you.  How you responded, huh?  That's so you'd know self, wasn't it?  You’d know how it goes.  Now, if you would carry that on into every day, you’d see what everything has an effect and you're always knowing self – it's not something that you do once and say, "Boy I got it down pat."  It's something that you do moment by moment, day in and day out and it is “living” – is to knowing the self and what it's responding and reacting with all the environment.  Then when you know self, that is an “organic living.”  There is something there that’ll take care of the “hows” – I don't have to fret about that.  But then the only way that I can see that I'm an accurate reporter is first knowing self, is it not?  Without that I'm no reporter at all.  I am just an unconscious blob that's reacting. 

(Okay.)

Right, isn't it?  And in order to be conscious, you know what's going on, how what's reacting, what's doing what – you don't have to know the technical terminology.  You don't have to understand anatomy.  You don't have to know the classic physiology.  You'll know more about it than the classic physiologist does – I'll promise you that, but you may not know how to put it all in pretty words and you sure won't pass the basic science board with it; but, nevertheless, you will know all about how it's working in you. 

And you will find that you're living without any resistance – without any conflict or struggle – without any obstruction to the free expression of X, Spirit, through this being.  All your job is is to report, not to figure out whether it's gonna be the right action, you see – you'll never know that anyway.  But if you report accurately, then – and you can only report accurately when you're knowing yourself, see?  That's the condition to reporting accurately is to knowing what you're involved in there.  When you do that, you will find that there is no obstruction to living and you're in constant communication with Spirit, one with God. 

Now, a great Teacher come along and said, “The Father and I are one.”  And somebody said, “Oh man, He must be a different kind of thing from the rest of us.”  All the difference was He knew what He was doin'.  The rest of us goin' around dopin’ off.  And He said that anything that He did, you could do still, right?  And a number of other things that if you look at it, you would not have all the superstitious ideas and make Him into some kind of a idol. 

But seeing that it was an example, which you and I have today available to us – that you can do today; you don't have to wait to tomorrow, next week, next year, or next lifetime, you can do it today, being aware of self – then you see that this is part of self too, isn't it?  It works in here and it does the “how” and you don't have to figure out “how.”  But what have you spent all your life worrying about, Genevieve?  How!  Huh?

(How to do it.)

And why.

(Oh boy.)

[He laughs.]  It's none of your business, do you see?  You're job is to report.  And when you're trying to nose into it, you're going to create nothin' but chaotic conditions and finally He says, “I don't even want to bother with you anymore.”  And “blip” – they can get you one of those little cylinders and they can plant you standin' up, you know and…[he chuckles].  Huh?

(With a heating pad!)

With a heating pad in a box of itself.  [He chuckles.]  Be sure it's waterproof 'cause I don't like gettin’ wet, either.

(Yeah.)

And be sure and put me right across the street from Bob 'cause I like to go over and visit with him once in a while.  But that's all gone.  When you knowing self, you are reporting accurately.  When you report accurately, you are at one with Spirit.  Would that be livin’ the Spiritual life, huh?  Would that include a bunch of occult gook – a bunch of wild theories, huh?

(As a matter of fact – the less theories, the less you know –)

Right, because you have less conditioning that you have bought explanations to get rid of, is that right?  You have less explanations to re-evaluate.  You are so right.  Let's take a break and we will start again in about 15 minutes.  You leavin', Dr. Lynn?  Dr. Lynn and Mary Jo have to attend the great dental societies.  Have a real good time, Lynn, and we sure have enjoyed you and enjoyed you.  We'll see you as soon as we can.  Have a wonderful day. 

(14-second break in the tape before resuming.)

You know, we remarked about automobiles or various kinds of machines goin' around with nobody drivin' 'em?  Ralph and Bob was out there goin' down the street, mindin' their own business and a machine with a driver that wasn't there – another machine sittin' at the wheel – drove into the back of them, right out there – just “wham!”  And it surely smashed 'em good. 

Okay, you got that thing all wound up over there [referring to the reel-to-reel recorder]?  Okay, we will talk about man's effort to attain certainty through the ages – of which he is always been workin' on.  His purpose – always the thing that motivates man is to find certainty.  This is why he possibly, some of his conditioning serves an excellent purpose.  It…he wants to be right so he tries to be “certain,” you know?  And in his effort to be certain he has used various methods. 

The first one of which was used for many thousands of years, he called “revelation.”  Now, the word “revelation” is from the word “reveal,” which means to make plain or clear.  And it's a excellent system of going, but he first believed that revelation was due to all these little images flipping around inside his cerebrum – he didn't know where they came from.  Not knowing himself, he accepted these as coming from without himself because he didn't intentionally “gen-ter-ate” [generate] them.  He felt they come from some unknown source of which he usually attributed a name to.  And many hundreds of different names have been attributed to this as being the source. 

But as he knows more about himself, he finds that they are just self-origin; the very nature of the cerebrum is to make images.  But, at first, and for thousands of years, he had “revelations” and, naturally, his revelations, as he called 'em – his images – were about things which he did know something about.

So consequently, his condition stayed much the same.  He lived in caves, mud huts, struggled from sunup to sundown to barely make food and shelter of a very poor grade for himself and his number of offspring.  And this went on up until a very few years ago – as we would consider the known periods of time – and man begin to experiment.  Now, these “experimenters” were, of course, considered to be worse than the horrors you could dream of – that anybody who would run an experiment. 

One of those experimenters, of course, was Columbus.  Now, the story was told in their day and accepted that the world was square because they had read in a book somewheres that there was an angel standing on each corner of the Earth with a wind in his hand – north wind, south wind, east wind, west wind.  So it's bound to be square.  And if you went so far, you'd fall off over the edge.  But old Columbus had a little idea and he said – well, he looked at the moon and it looked round and the sun looked round and anything else he could see looked that way so he said, “Maybe this thing's round.”  At least he was willing to experiment. 

So, he started his ship goin' west hopin’ to get to the east.  He run into a continent in the way or he would'a made it.  [He chuckles.]  You know?  His principle was correct, but he did run into the whole North/South American land mass and got goofed up.  But he thought he had found it so he called all the people he found “Indians” anyway.  He was on the way to India – and so it's bound to be there, you know?  So they called them “Indians.”  We still do so – which is just 12,500 miles short of the goal [he chuckles] but nevertheless, that's what it was.  So, at least he begin to experiment.

Man began to experiment with other things instead of depending upon the images formed in his mind which he accepted as being real.  Now, the experimenter, of course, has to face facts; whereas the person who lets images run in his mind can always play with fantasy, and fantasy is usually more interesting to certain minds than facts. 

So, we've had through the ages that man has – since he's begin experimenting – he constantly has a great group of people who are always tryin' to go back to the livin' on the images bit.  They are continually in a little bit of a conflict that the image boy says, “Well, this is the way you find this out” – you know, just sit here and close your eyes and sit still for a minute and somethin' pops in and, boy, we got it.  But the other says, “Well, I don't trust that, let's experiment.” 

Now, the experimentation has in a very few years – relatively speaking – brought about all the things we know as scientific advances.  From believing that the world was square back 1492, which was not very long ago really, was it?  500, 400 years ago – even less than that – in a very few years we have seen man land on the moon because we changed from experimentation to jumpin' at conclusions because a little image flipped in my head.  We have seen that people can live by working a very few hours a day – they don't know what to do with their leisure yet but they have found you can live with a very few hours of work a day even after payin’ the taxes.  Right, Lynn?  [He laughs.]

(You could left that one out!)  (Laughter) 

I could’a left that one out.

(That kinda smarts.)

Coulda left that one out.  [He chuckles.]  And you can live in a house that the temperature can be maintained much the same the year round – air conditioning, central heat.  We have come far from believing that plagues of dis-ease was from the “displeasure of demons” – because that's what somebody thought up or because their God had gotten angry at 'em because of some displeasure – to finding that it was basically because of poor sanitation.  And that by experimenting with eliminating waste and having sanitation and having fresh food the year round by refrigeration and by rapid transit you can have food from any quarter of the Earth to date.  You can have somewhat of a balanced food year round. 

Man has lost his plagues…he still has these – he plagues himself, you know, because he still likes to fiddle with “revelation” as meaning that he got his little mind into clicked gears and somethin' flipped in there and he had an idea and that makes it so. 

Now, of course, there's always groups of people who are tryin' to continue to use this method, especially in all of our everyday living affairs.  Now, they will admit that science is all right to use for, you know, makin' automobiles and trips to the moon and buildin' a house; but, now, when it comes down to knowin' anything about yourself, you gotta take it by somebody's image, is that right?  But, now, that's subject to experimentation just as easy.  Now, what we basically talk about is material that is experimented with and we ask you to do what?  

(Experiment.)

Experiment yourself.  Don't take my word for it.  I said I've experimented with it and this is the way I found it; but, for goodness sakes, don't buy it that it's the way it is until you've experimented with it, right?  But we point out the ways of experimenting.  Huh?

(I said, “Don’t worry, I won’t.”)

You'd be surprised how many do though, Mary Jo.  [He laughs.]  I have to constantly fight that little battle to keep it from being accepted as a fact ‘cause I said so.  I only said I run the experiment.  I started from “Portugee” [Portugal], headed west and wound up I thought in India, you know – even though it was Jamaica.  So does revelation or “to be revealed” come about because we had an image pop in our mind or because we've run an experiment and see how it works, Brother Lynn?  Which would you say it would most have to be?  Is what does the meaning of the word “revelation?”  How does it really work?  When you've run an experiment and now you see how it works clearly and can duplicate it at your will?  Or is it because somebody had a little picture in their mind – which one does it mean, sir? 

(I believe you have to do all your experiments.)

Okay.

(But I also think it’s that…what happened is these other images that people have – they want to get together on their agreement.)

That's “on agreement.”  So, I suggested some idea to you – like I saw the king's clothes and so pretty soon you think you're seein' the king's clothes.  And we say that's an “experiment” – that isn't, is it?  That's only both of us deluding ourselves without runnin' an experiment.  Now, in your practice and everything, you wouldn't think of using little things that flip in without experimenting with 'em to see how they work, would you?  And all the advances in your practice, of which is ever renewing, month after month – you told me about a beautiful one last night.  It come not from somebody sittin' down and closin' his eyes and a little flip comin' in here, but by experimentation or if he got an idea, he went and experimented with it.

(And then he went and did it.)

He tried it out, didn't he?  In a good practical way in somebody's real anatomy before he went out to tell everybody else about it, right?

(The “flip” came around.)

Well, he got some idea, part of it, from somethin' else he'd done or he was walkin' down the street and he saw where some guy had made a wrought iron gate and had a bunch of bars stuck on the outside, one that rivets them – “boop, boop.”  In association, that’ll work in your head, you know?  And so he goes over and experiments with it, but he does before he goes out and says, “I got it and you have to buy it – if you don't, great horrors is gonna happen to you,” is that right?  And “I'm the only one that got it,” you know, hmm?  Because if you can experiment – if he can experiment then who else can, Lynn?  If he can experiment with it and get a given result, who else can experiment with it?

(Anybody else with the same kind of background.)

With the same kind of equipment and material to work with, is that right?  Anybody can, so it's not a little one here and there that the rest has to listen to, is that right?  So then it can be revealed.  You can experiment with it and you see exactly how it works – it reveals to you, yourself.  Right.  So when we begin to see that this is the way to find knowledge, then man will exalt his Spiritual understanding because he will experiment and find out for himself rather than accept all these little fairy tales he's heard all of his life.  Is that about right?  He will start experimenting.  As it is, we don't think of experimenting – we're not supposed to – we were told by authority and it's a sin to doubt it, is that right?  And we wouldn't dare question it.  That right, Genevieve? 

(I think we’re told that if we got it, then that isn’t “faith.”)

That's right, you have no faith, and you know where you'd go without faith, huh?

(We're told to experiment and to work it in our own lives; but what happens –)

If you do.  [He chuckles.]

(When you do –)  (We make great models for ourselves but not for someone else.)  (Yes, but even if you did receive a revelation and you told them to look at it, they’d say, “Uh-uh-uh., it isn’t like that.”)

Well, mostly basically always if you heard that somebody got a certain word told ‘em years ago – you know, a thousand years ago, three thousand years ago – and they said there was all these various things that happens here, yon and elsewhere.  If you doubt that and tried to experiment with it on your own way, what are you doing?  Brother Lynn, what would that amount to? 

(Well, if you do an experiment, there's nothing wrong with that –)

With what?

(With experimenting to see…like, you know –)

Oh, we're not talking about revelation, we're talking about experimenting – running a practical experiment to see how it works.

(Well, I know if I say I'm gonna run this experiment – say going to fly a plane – they say, “You have not had enough instructions to do this.”)

Run your experiment.

(In my trade, they say, “You’re crazy to try these things out, experiment on them.”)

Like what?

(Well, prayer, revelations from your own affairs, your own life – just do all these things.  But the thing they don’t say, they didn’t say, is that all these little decisions that are down there…are muddling up the answer.)

And before you started to do it, you already had what in it?  You already had this one sittin' over here pretty solid, is that right? 

(You’re already in conflict.)

Before you start.  And you already must either agree with this or you feel that you've got somethin' haywire, is that right?  Now, let's talk about real experimentation.  Now, it's one thing to sit down and get ideas in my head and call those “instructions” or “messages” or etcetera, which I've heard done, right? 

(It's kinda like we set out with a hypothesis, then we set out to prove it.)

Right, and that is the very antithesis of any scientific method.  In science, you set out to “disprove” an idea, never to prove it because if you do, you'll delude yourself every time.  But suppose that we set out… somebody has a little idea and it works out all right.  Is that because he got it from somewheres else outside or was it the way the brain works when he kinda directed it towards a given thing?

(This is the thing I’m thinking about in terms of…well, I like this book of Selye’s a lot – he set out the idea that he thought there were some hormones that were affecting man's behavior…[The doctor’s name is unclear in this 1st reference; however, the subject matter and Dr. Bob’s reference and discussion below indicates he is referring to Dr. Hans Selye, the Endocrinologist who studied the role hormones play in the body’s response to stressors.])

Hm-mm.  And then he set out to disprove it.

(Yeah, then he set out in ways to experiment and see what –)

Disprove it.

(Experiment to see what –)

That if he could disprove it.

(He took apart a hormone to see if he took it away, what would happen – all these things.  And this is the kind of experimentation that we’ve tried in this field.)

Right.  Now, this is what we're talking about, isn't it – that in every field of man's existence, he can run a practical experiment, right?  Now, if I...

(They basically told me that I shouldn’t try those experiments – that I’d fail.)

They have never been used.  That's what we're talking about.  They always just tell you “this is the way it is” and so you believe it because an authority said so.  Now, suppose that instead of that that we found an experiment – like you readin’ what Dr. Selye did on some existence and he proved more about how the human being worked than all the theories that have been handed down for ages because he was trying to disprove it, right?  Now, somebody goes out and you say, “Well, you're recommended to pray.”  Well, naturally and so you pray and it happens twice, much like you requested, okay?  Does that prove anything? 

(Only thing it proves is you prayed.)

Did it prove anything, though?  Have you really understood how it worked?

(No.)

You haven't understood how it worked but it worked.  All right, so it happened this way.

(Okay, as an experiment we'd say well, I can repeat it and see what happens.)

And so then four times you do and it don't happen, do you then say, “Well”…or do you come up with “Well, it wasn't the Lord's will that time?” 

(Well, that’s like making up your mind.)

Yeah.  So which does?  Does it work every time or only part of the time, Brother Lynn? 

(Only part.)

Then if you had something only worked part of the time, you haven't discovered the fundamental principle, is it?  Because if you have found the principle, it'll work every time, is that right?  You agree with that, wouldn't you?.  So then we haven't found...

(You might be on the edge –)

You haven't run up on the true principle or it is duplicatable every time you want to run the experiment, is that right?  If you want to boil water at sea level – so far as any time anybody's ever got the water to 212 degrees at sea level, it started doin' what?  Kinda bubblin', didn't it?  It started boiling.  Now, if it only did that 30% of the time, would you have known about very much there – it wouldn't be very workable, would it?  Huh?  It wouldn't work.  So, then there is no degree of certainty, but we talk about the one or two times that it did work and then we ignore the others that didn't, or we give an excuse.  Now, is that being scientific?  Huh?  That isn't being scientific, huh?

(That’s being logical.)

That's bein’ logical, that is bein’ somethin' else, too – might be called start with a "g" – gullible.  But now if we really wanted to find out the fundamental principle of how the Universal Energy works, we would experiment with attempting to disprove it until we found how it works every time, is that right?  Now, if you found where you could duplicate it time after time, moment after moment in every conceivable way, would you say you had come up with a “understanding” then?  And then you could tell her about it and she don't have to believe it; but she can go run the same experiment and would be expected to get the same results. 

In other words, that water will boil at 212 degrees even though she is the biggest thief – and maybe she's the biggest thief in the world – but it'll still work, is that right?  And she may be the biggest liar ever lived, but it'll still work.  She may even be a hustler, but it'll still work, is that right?  It’s no…it doesn't have anything to do with her morals, is that right?  Does it?  Huh?  If you are going to mold a piece of gold – cast it, and you've built it to a certain temperature, it doesn't matter what your faith, morals, skin color, or nothin' else is, it'll work, is that right?

(Yeah.)

Is that correct?  Doesn't have a thing to do with this.  Now, we're told that all of this other over here...

(– and besides that’s gold – it makes a difference.)

Yeah, but if you got the…

(There’s no way you can make that gold.)

Well, I know, but you put other metal in there.  But if you cut the pure 24-karat gold, it'll behave the same, wouldn't it?  But now if we come over here and we say, “Now, you have been so and so and you will get your little request answered, but if she don't get hers answered, it's because she's hidin' somethin' – psst, psst.”  So, then you see that before we begin to put conditions and then we're sayin' there's a Universal Law, is that right?  Now you can't have law and have conditions in which it will work, is that right? 

(That’s true.)

You can't have law.  Now, if there is a Universal Law, then there cannot be due to what somebody thinks of you or what you believe or don't believe as to whether corn will grow from corn seed planted in the ground or not.  Huh?  You plant 'em and cockleburrs come up?  Nooo.  It don't work that way, does it?  So, you see we could discover the Universal Spiritual Laws and use them if we would experiment; but that is horrible to think of experimentation – you got to do it on what?  Faith.  And the faith is what you call… “gullibility” is what I call it – so you got to believe it, huh?  Right?  Huh? 

Now, if you would begin to study the man, you would begin to understand the principles by which he works and you can experiment with it.  And you can produce the same predictable results in ever’ situation as long as you use the same method, okay? 

Now, we have found, by experimentation with number one and a whole bunch of other people, that if you make anything important, you’re anxious.  If you're anxious, you mobilize a bunch of juices and when you get some energy mobilized, it's gotta turn loose after while and so then I can predict with regularity that if I do certain things I will get a certain kind of adaptation over here, huh?  And I can also predict it for you and you and you and you and you and you and all the rest just as regular as clockwork.  Okay? 

Now, if this is predictable, then you can begin to see how the human being works, okay?  How the Spiritual part of him works.  What affect it has and how it does.  Then you can also try all these little theories out and you can see that they don't work consistently.  Now, every now and then, yes, somethin' happens, you know.  If I prayed that the sun goes down approximately 7:00 tonight, I'll get it, you know?  And I can go out and tell everybody, “I prayed the sun go down at 7:00 and then it just plopped right over there within three minutes of it,” hmm?  And then next winter I can say, “Well, I prayed it’d go down as early as 5:00” – sure enough, it does, huh?  Man, I can change the time the sun goes up and down by my prayers, is that right? 

(Yeah, you got that right.)  (Laughter)

Pray in accordance with the way things really workin’ every once in a while – so it works and then I say, “Well that's what made it do it was my words.”  Now, if there is a Universal Law and it can be changed by you askin’ or beggin' and then she's gonna beg somethin' different, huh?  And I'm gonna be beggin' somethin different, hmm?  That gets ridiculous doesn't it, huh? 

But would it be more sensible and would we be more religious if we begin to understand the Universal Law.  Now, instead of tryin' to make God do my will – which I believe the little story if you want to quote a little bit, says what?  “Not my will but thine.”  So then I'd try to find out what the will was and work in accordance with it – the will is the Universal Law of the way things work, isn't it?  Now, am I religious by tryin' to make God do my will or am I religious only if I'm trying to understand those Universal Laws even though I never said a prayer, went to books, sung a song, or did any of the other little ritualistic things – which is it, Dr. Lynn? 

(The answer’s obvious.)

The answer's obvious.  Now, the other one is trying to practice “black magic” or magic in some form or other and is not approachin’ science and saying, “I'm gonna make the Spirit do my will by my holiness and by my asking them they're obligated to do it.”  Is that right?  That's really the way we see it practiced – instead of experimenting and to find out how it works.  Now, here's gobs of energy to use to light your home, your office, run your equipment with.  Fifty years ago, you know what you would have been doin', or a hundred years ago?  Standin' there pattin’ your foot tryin' to get some flow through there while everybody’s screaming.  Is that right?       [END OF CD #3 OF 9]

OBSTRUCTIONS TO ABUNDANCE – Scottsdale, AZ 1969
CD #4 OF 9

....uninformed theories that Energy has a plan for me and I’m gonna have to live it out and He’s got a little place over here where we’re all gonna build a house and live.  We don’t come up with all those little theories, we find out how that Energy works.  And the more we work with it, we find out It don’t care whichever one you ask of It – to blow your brains out or to plant a flower.  That about right?  It seems It really could care less because It just performs. 

So if the information goes here to X and says, “I’ve gotta kill myself to get out of this trouble...” – “bang” goes the gun – and X is the one that did the how to pull the trigger, huh?  And if he says, “I wanna go plant a beautiful flower out here” or “I want to set the little broken – the little bird’s broken wing” – It­­ does the same thing.  It just as soon be used one way as another.  It is only interested in doing, and it isn’t concerned “what.”  It’s just like electricity – It’ll cook your dinner, run your equipment, run an X-ray machine so you can see all down inside the bone or it’ll run electric chair, won’t it?  It really seems to care not which, is that right?  Hmm?  Now, we understand the Laws then it’s up to man to know what to do with the Law, right?

(That locked up my wheels)

Okay, I’ll be quiet for a minute.  I’ll be…

(Gotta turn another wheel.)

Let’s listen to the wheel – we’d like to hear the wheel.

(If I can get from the context of this, my only decision is the “what” and X knows – First Energy does the “how.”  And also there’s a possibility – not too sure, but there’s a possibility – that there is a personal being that may think otherwise.  And this is where my problem – this is where the problem –)

There is.  There is.  You want a picture of him.  I’ll draw you his picture.  Would you like to see it? 

(I don’t…if I need a picture, you’re gonna draw it.)

[Drawing on the board:  Here’s the one that’s “personally” interested, and they got two of ‘em, and they’re continually workin’ on you, aren’t they?  One’s goin’ one way and one’s goin’ the other – one’s interested in you doing what he wants you to do and the other one’s interested in what he wants you to do and they’re both inside you.  Man has invented him a personalized god and devil, is that right? 

Where is it?  It’s subconscious mind – he had all these little things come up in there and he didn’t know where they came from, so he said they were “beings” outside.  Now, we can experiment with that and find it because I can take a child or a pup, don’t make any difference which – pups is easier, okay?  And we’ll swap the pup for eating out of a tin bowl with a rolled-up newspaper – every time he starts to eat out of the tin plate – whack ‘im.  But if he eats off the ground, I won’t bother him.  Okay?  Pretty soon, he feels horribly guilty if he saw a beautiful piece of meat or dog food in the tin bowl, and he’s hungry and he’ll circle it and he’ll whine and he’ll work and if he does run and grab a bite, he’ll run away so he won’t get caught, is that right?  Have we made him feel guilty – is his god makin’ him feel guilty?  You know, it’s from outside his conscious range, but somethin’ in there’s bitin’ at him and then there’s another one in there said, “Go get the meat, [he whispers] go get it, go get it,” huh? 

And we can take a child if you wish, and we could scold it for being and shush it and say, “What’ll people think”…if you saw it, if it was lettin’ somebody see it eat, you know?  But we praised it and patted it on the head for bein’ a nice one for goin’ to the bathroom out in the street – which way would it go?  Would it feel all embarrassed about being found out goin’ to the bathroom in the street or over eating, Brother Lynn?  In public, which one would it be embarrassed about now?  Huh?

(Bathroom.)

No, it would be embarrassed about bein’ caught eatin’, wouldn’t it?  Because if we scolded it for it – said, “What’ll people think?”  Now, then we can begin to see this personalized being that we have built up.  It’s not so hard to do.  We can run the experiment and we’ve done it over and over and over, right? 

(Yeah, this is one of the reasons I was interested in what we said last night – of the parts of the brain.)

Right.

(In the cerebrum we see apart from the –)

...but easily conditioned...

(The little dog doesn’t have –)

Well, he’s got one, but you can condition him with it but not to that degree; but you can condition him up to a degree.  Now, he has one disadvantage by not havin’ it – he can never get it undone.  We can.  We have the possibility of undoin’ the conditioning and the poor little dog not havin’ enough to further go out here to get it undone, do you see?

(Well, seeing man with a cerebrum and the thinking that he has… and then a personal being with that – you know this is the part I can’t – I haven’t been able to turn loose with it.)

Well, it’s not a matter of turnin’ loose – it’s a matter of experimenting with it, okay?  Now, until you can catch this personal being that’s sittin’ around and tells you all these things and so forth, you really have nothing to go on, is that right?  Except somebody else’s image.  Is that right?  ‘Cause we have made the personal image to be able to alter Universal Law by whim, is that correct, sir?  

(No, I don’t think by whim –)

By?

(Well, you know, not by whim but by offering within them, within the conditioning –)

I believe we read that that personal being that you’re talking about as actualized – that some guy was a little behind in winnin’ his battle and he got into by whim, to keep the sun goin’ shinin’ for another 24 hours one day.  And that by certain days he regretted that he had made man and he got all upset about it and then he repented that he’d got so angry about it and so forth and so on – is that right?  So, we’re actually saying that this Universe either runs by Energy that operates by Universal Law, which is gonna be the same for you or me or anybody else – whether my nationality is from Israel or somewheres else – or we have one by whim, is that right?  Now, really it has to get that way.

(I have always been taught that God is bound by Laws – as well as we are – and if you cease to obey those Laws, He would seem to be gone.)

Well, that’s a good way of sayin’ it. 

(No…but It wouldn’t be gone, would It?)

But we’ll also say one thing, but as we said, you can also come over here and put out all the little quotes, you know, ‘cause they cross each other.  Now, if he’s bound by Law then he isn’t the God anyway, so let’s whip that one before you got started, you know?

(Well, he just understands the Law and obeys it.)

Well now, and why couldn’t you do that, dear? 

(We’re put on the Earth to do that.)

Then why do you need all this other one you’re bringin’ up here?  This personalized being you come up with somewheres there.  If you can do it…

(It’s not that simple –)

Oh?

(It’s just so –)

[He chuckles.]  You’re really havin’ to hunt for the bottom of barrel there aren’t you, dear?  Do you need an example or do you need to understand the Law?  Now, you haven’t seen how he experimented if this “being” is around, have you?  So, how you got the example if you’ve never seen him?

(Well, that’s where we walk…I do –)  (There goes the Law.)

[He chuckles:]  There goes the Law.  So, easily what you said is that if you find out – if you experiment with it, then you find that the Law works a certain way – then you have become a Spiritual being, is that right?

(That’s why we believe what we –- that we could be like God.)

Well, fine – let’s get with it instead of puttin’ it off, is that all right?  [He chuckles.]  And the only way you’re gonna do it is experiment to find out, is that right?  You’re not gonna do it by sittin’ down talkin’ about it and bein’ a goody-good and quotin’ a bunch of words and so forth.  I’m with you – let’s go do it now. 

(Okay.)

Why wait about it, okay?  Then, okay, you’re gods then.  Is that right?

(Well, I could be.)

No, you are “now,” it says.  Go ahead. 

(I’m thinking of the example of Jesus Christ – tell that one.)

Okay, you’ve met anybody that knows Him very well?  Or you just got a bunch of books you read about it? 

(Well, there’s no… I don’t know personally anyone who, uh –)

...met him.  Say that.  And how about, have you run into him? 

(I know personally people who say they have.)

But have you?

(No, but –)

Well, then you couldn’t use Him as an example because you haven’t met Him then, is that right?  And besides that, would you want to be like Bob Wilson – even though he’s a big good-lookin’ guy and everything?  That’s called bein’ identified and you’re tryin’ to be a duplicate.  Now, would you want to be a duplicate of the man named Jesus if you even knew Him and could follow Him around – would you want to do like Him or would you want to do somethin’ else?

(Well, as far as the one is concerned, I would.)

Well, that far – but you wouldn’t get it by behavin’ like him because what he put on on the outside wouldn’t have anything to do with what you could tell about the inside, would it?

(That’s true.)

Right?  So you couldn’t “mimic-y” [mimic] that.

(It’s not quite as simple –)

Well, you could – well, what’d he teach? 

(Supposedly, the “Way” of Life.)

Well, what is it?

(Universal Law.)  (Here we go again.)

Isn’t that what?  He said there was a Law – find out what it was and live it.

(Live it.)

Right?  Now…

(And then you’d know the truth of it.)

Then you’d know the truth of it.  And you don’t know the truth until you have experimented, is that right?  And He said, if you would “know the truth, the truth would free you.”  If you want to accept it and I’ve tried it – find out, don’t take it ‘cause He said so ‘cause you don’t even know whether He said that or some other joker wrote it.  But the point is that if you experiment with, you will find the truth of how the thing works and would you then be freed from all your delusions and ideologies, and superstitions and gullibilities then, is that right?  Huh?  Now, then if you want to follow somethin’ you got some little thing says, “Well, that’s worthy experimenting with to know the truth.”  How you gonna know the truth unless you run an experiment?  Is that right?  Otherwise, you’re gullible, aren’t you?  And you say, “Well, so and so must have known the truth because he said he did.” 

(Is the thing in running the experiment – does that mean really listen to any degree…the evaluation of purpose?)

On your own, is that right?  So then the first off...

(This is where I’m confused –)

Well, let’s say that there is many re-evaluations that you can first off do – some little rules and things that goes along.  But if you run an experiment whether you’ve ever re-evaluated or not, you’ll find out how the experiment works and that sometimes aids the re-evaluation.

(I’ve done some of those.)

Which ones like?

(I’ve tried to make –)

Well, all right so run it back on this one and you will begin to experiment with re-evaluation.  We say that was a fair one. 

(It’s also my opinion that the fact – well, it seems like we see the fact of those principles and we try to deal with a piece of ‘em.)

Right.  And now we’re talkin’ about goin’ back and doin’ the whole experiment and seeing what really operates you.

(I think, in the old terms we talked of old “A & B” going –)

Yeah, we just jump backwards and forwards – said, “God’s rulin’ me,” “Devil’s rulin’ me,” “God’s tempting me,” “God’s doin’ all this” and so forth here.  But we’ve never really experimented to find what was really in here and if it worked the same way after we had re-evaluated.

(We’re too happy with that 30 percent.)

Right.  We can – saw the king’s clothes, you know?  But if we get here and we find out what happens if I should re-evaluate this and see that “Fine, I’m gonna do it but I’m gonna do it consciously by my own effort” – somethin’ like those four we were talkin’ about last night – you would find then that your God has undergone a big change.  That seems strange that he would change so much just because you’ve got conscious, doesn’t it?  Huh?  But it’s an interesting experiment to run.  Would you like to experiment with it?

(Yes.)

But totally re-evaluate this situation and then you’ll find out something about your God, you know?  You might find out He had 10 feet, see?  And you might find out that you’d been worshiping a false personality and callin’ it a “god” all these years – you might.  And you would be out from under a tremendous amount of bondage and you might really find what Spirit really is.  And you couldn’t do it as long as you worship this false one that you’ve been chasin’, is that right?  The one everybody’s been tellin’ us about. 

Now, it’d be worthy of an experiment to do that rather than to take some ideology and live by it, would it not?  Wouldn’t that be worthwhile?  Let’s find out.  And we don’t know what it’s gonna be until you run the experiment, correct?  And then you might find that a whole bunch of your beliefs hit the dust.  Now, would that bug you?  Huh?  Would that bug you that a whole bunch of your cherished beliefs hit the dust?

(I don’t know, I guess.)  

[He chuckles.]  Would that bug you?

(Up to now, it’d bug.)

It’d bug. 

(Yeah, it’d bug.)  (You’ve got to experiment –)  (Yeah, I don’t know how –)  (Laughter)

Okay. 

(Give us an example.)  (Laughter)

All right.

(Be careful.)

Next moment when we start over we’re gonna do questions here.  I will take it again and I will go through it because this is what the whole purpose of all our studies are.  I will give you a “for instance” and I’ll closely, almost, give you a formula for that one, okay?  Because in a formula you require certain form of experiment – we’ll take you next class.

(All right, correlate for me if you will, Bob, a core assignment or a dictionary thing about – it seems that a lot of our advances today have been envisioned before they ever became manifest in a person’s mind.  They seem to project themselves in the result.)

If you work with the cerebrum and consciously directing it along certain lines, it makes images, right?  And you can experiment with ‘em and some of ‘em work.  Now, a lot of the things you only know about the ones that work, you see?  But a guy also had a lot of flips in there that he run the experiments and it said, “Blip, no go.”  For instance Thomas Jefferson, no not… [correcting himself] – Thomas Edison had a whole bunch of little blips in here.  He had over 2,000 different ones that he saw in his mind as producing the electric globe.  Only one of ‘em worked and none of the ones that he had envisioned here – but as he cut ‘em down and then he got further more.  So, really to say all completely “ahead of time,” no, I don’t think so.  

(Well, I was thinking – about some of the books I read about what was going on – it seemed to involve a “vision,” a kind of hallucination or believing, if you will.)

Well, enfolded as an experiment he only dreamed up as a fiction and somebody said, “Let’s try it out.” 

(Right.)

Okay?  Miss Rachel this morning mentioned Scientology – the first writing on Scientology was a pure science-fiction story, an astounding science fiction magazine called Dianetics:  The Modern Science of Mental Health.  And the man who wrote it was strictly playin’ games writing and a bunch of people who read it experimented with it and found they got a very desirable, to them, result.  And so what started as almost fiction turned out to have quite a workable value.  Now, if somebody comes along and says Flash Gordon preceded to gettin’ on the moon and all these things, does not mean that they saw it; but that somebody in fictionalizing something gave another man said, “Let’s run an experiment and maybe it’ll work.”  It’s never come out exactly the same, but somewhat similar, okay?

(Someone had to imagine it.)

And so he had an image, but he was directing it also and so many of the things that they worked on didn’t happen, can’t happen, but some of ‘em do, you see?  Because...

(A “directed” pattern?)

A directed patterns rather than just sittin’ around here, floatin’ around and somethin’ flew in your head, yes.  What, hon?

(Wouldn’t that mean forming an image of, with “what is” and correlating it with –)

...seein’ the potential and then runnin’ an experiment to see if it would happen; and some of ‘em – many more of ‘em don’t happen – and not workable than do.  But every once in a while one does and that keeps people jumpin’ at the idea that there is somethin’ out here that’s sendin’ little blips down for you, you know? 

(Well, going back to the other analogy – to the two or three thousand different approaches there – its basic elements remain constant.)

That electricity was an energy...period.  And if he can convert energy, it would take the form of light instead of a flow, okay?  So he knew he had to interfere with it.  Now, he knew that much, so then he found ways to interfere with it.  Now, he first come up and saw the fundamental principle of how it works.  That if you interfered with the flow of any energy, it produces as a byproduct, heat; and heat usually as a byproduct will produce light.  And you interfere in the flow of energy is the way it goes about.  You can do the same thing if you put a tourniquet around your arm and interfere with the flow of energy through a nerve in it, you’ll find it’s a very decided amount of heat builds up, right quick.  And this has been true in all times. 

So, in studying energy without the emotionalism on it, then you’re truly being religious and studying how Spirit works.  Spirit is another word for Energy, is it not?  If you started off all your sacred writings by saying, “In the beginning Energy,” you’d be just as right as saying, “In the beginning” some other word.  And “Energy is” is possibly the most factual statement that you could make.  Now, then as you begin to understand Energy, which is Spirit – now, it’s been called Spirit back though the ages because they just didn’t see it but somethin’ happened so they said, “Spirit made it do it,” – which is agreeable, I agree with that. 

So you wanna call it Spirit or you wanna call it Energy?  It’s a matter of understanding the Law of Energy.  Now, man is, so far as we can see, is the highest expression of that Energy in the visible field and to assume that there is any beyond it which we haven’t experienced is without rhyme or reason, is it not?  Now, if we can experiment and devise an experiment and find beings of other levels, that’s fine also, but do you know anything about it?  Hmm?  Do you? 

(The only thing we know about it is the people who –)

“Said” somethin’? 

(And, well, they had their experiments or whatever and that changed their –)

No, they had an “experience” but not an “experiment.”

(They had an experience that changed their views.)

And that is so, not that they had an experiment but that they had something they called an “experience.”  Now, maybe you would’a had the same things and said, “I had indigestion last night and had a bad dream.”  The other guy says he had an “experience.”  You know, you really don’t know which it is, is that right?  So, it’s awful easy to start chasin’ rainbows and pots of gold at foots of rainbows.  So, you’ve probably had many things and all you did was said, “I didn’t sleep good last night.  I had indigestion, had bad dreams.”  Somebody else got up and said, “I had a revelation last night.”

(Well, how about witnesses that have seen the same thing?)

Well, it’s pretty easy to do, but they also –witnesses have quite a tendency to see the king’s clothes, sweetheart.  We told you that little story this mornin’ – you want to experiment with it and see if it’ll work?  You want to see if that’ll work today?  That you can get witnesses to something that you can’t see or anybody else but you say you see it.  And you see if they’re fit for their position, they could see it and if they’re not fit for their position, they won’t see it.  And let’s see how many people we get to do it today. 

(It’s too hard to fathom really that men of integrity, you know, of known integrity – would see the king’s clothes.)

You want to experiment with some people of “known” to you integrity and try it?  Some you know that has integrity – you wanna try it?  How about you, would you like to try it, sir?  Huh?  I’ve tried it.  I know.  But don’t take my word for it – you try it.  I’ve tried it.  I’ve experimented with people of known integrity to see if they could see the king’s clothes and I’ve never had one yet that couldn’t see it?  And sometimes it took ‘em two or three days, but they got so they could see the king’s clothes very quickly because, otherwise, they’re gonna get ignored and rejected and dropped.

(I know this happens but could you give us an experiment that we could run where we could try to see that and go ahead…I mean, I know I’ve seen the king’s clothes –)

We said we’d take some practical experiments next class if you want to.  You’ve seen the king’s clothes and you’re a “man of integrity.”

(Well, I considered myself so.)  (laughter)

And did you see the king’s clothes?  What was the experiment that happened? 

(There’s an experiment – let’s run an experiment on him.)

Okay – what was did you see that you didn’t see?

(Well, mainly in the religion field.  I mean –)

That’s the best place to play the game.  Okay, go ahead, what’d you see?  What’d you tell?

(Okay, well, you know…I’ve seen the whole thing –

You saw it all.

(– the Pentecostal part about it – the speaking in other tongues.)

You did that, too?

(Oh, I did that.)

Did you kinda have to fake it a little bit so you’d fit there, yes, sir?

(All the way.)

And you carried your testimony with a great gravity because you could speak tongues with the best of ‘em, couldn’t you, man?

(Oh, yeah, I was right up in the “amen corner.”)

Right.  Did you really speak tongues or did you just dish out a little gibberish?

(It was gibberish.)

And you dished it out with your own free will and accord.

(Absolutely.)

Because what would people think if you didn’t, is that right?  Here’s one of your men of integrity – you had to have it in order to fit the crowd.

(Really, you were doing gibberish and you said otherwise?)  (Well, I mean –)

Everybody else was doin’ it.

(That’s the question – it must be the right thing but was it the right thing?  So I had to see the king’s clothes.)

Right – the thing to do.  So it was the thing to do and he did it. 

(At the moment it was not gibberish.  Was it or was it not?  I mean to me it was –)  (No, no, now you’re looking at ­–)  (Not.)

Now wait a minute, Liam, you’re tryin’ to defend somethin’.  He really went out and put on the show.

(Laughter)  (That’s right.)

He put on a show.

(I’m asking, I’m not saying one way or another.)

Okay.

(Well, I answered.)

He’s puttin on a show because it was the thing to do and who would they think he was – he wasn’t seein’ the king’s clothes, he wasn’t very spiritual unless he – “Kashundai!!” comes out every once in a while, is that right?

(That’s exactly right.)

That’s probably the word you used, is that right?

(Well, I don’t know that I did but I know most of ‘em did and I probably did, too.)  (Laughter)

“Kashundai Kardayki!”

(That sounds very familiar.)  (More laughter) 

Right down the road, man. 

(He’s been there, too.)

I’ve been there, man, I done been there and…

(He’s been there and he told me the whole thing he went through.)  (Quite an experiment.)

I’ve experimented with ‘em.  I’ve taken them out and they will do it and they say they know these things.  Now, I’ve heard people get up and say that they “know” so and so.  Some of ‘em I call on it and say, “Now, just how do you know that?”

(“I feel it.”)

“Well, I feel it.”  “Well, all right, did you get it from conditioning?”  And you play with ‘em a little bit.  Well, he says, “Of course not, I just put it on because if I didn’t get up and say that everybody’d say I didn’t have a testimony.” 

(They really told you that, did they?)

Well, sure, I’ve had it told over and over.  Anybody in here want to agree with me or not?  How many has been totin’ it around then can say that truthfully fact about it?  Or they’re saying it because that’s the thing to say?

(The thing going around in my head –)  (Laughter)  (You go to see these “prophets”…and hear them bear their testimony and in a few days after he came in and he said –)  (More laughter)

Right.

(I want it – a lot of them say, “Tell me how you know that?”)

Right, right.

( And I haven’t done it yet but –)

But you’re going to.

(Laughter)  (Ask him up top if he was…already a prophet –)

I’ve heard that argument.  I read it, too, dear.   (all laughing)  

(These people “know” it, see and they –)

They know it from within....  And you know that too, huh?  [He chuckles.]  Chris?

(I think the Bible said that God would ne’er allow man to –)

Right.

(No kidding.)  (He’s also the same one that said, “The Spirit of the Lord is in the [unclear].”) 

Good.  I’m sure that that’s – went out there and looked at those trees and the bushes and they’re all growin’.  As soon as I see them all dead and there’s not a bit of Life includin’ me here, then I’ll know he’s right, okay? 

(Then you’ll know that.)  (Laughter)

Right.  [He chuckles.]  Yeah, I’ll know it when I’m not here, nothin’ else here, I’ll know it then.  Yeah?  What, hon?

(Well, I want to ask this question.  What about – this is from a different context but it’s still the question is –) 

Valid.

(What about all these people at Lourdes –)

At what?

(At Lourdes and Cannes and there’s one in Quebec, too.)

Yeah, yeah, sure, I know.

(– where all these practices are.)

And all these thing occur, right. 

(I haven’t seen it happen – I’m never there, I’m always there after it’s happened and just, you know –)

And see the “before,” right?  And the body braces and the whole, all the orthopedic appliances.

(Is it a fact that many of those…  In other words, is it right that what you can imagine and hold in your mind –)

No.

(– we can bring into realization?)

No.  What you believe – what you make up your mind to – happens.

(Well, does it last?  In other words –)

Well, it makes up – it lasts until they make up their mind another way.  Now, I’ve known an old friend, you know, and he’s got a room as big as this full of those appliances.  And he’s no nothin’, you know, but he’s a magnetic healer.  He [pantomimes an action] and they take all these appliances off and he’s got rows of crutches and body braces and artificial – these leg braces with shoes on ‘em and the whole bit, you know?  He’s got piles of ‘em just as much as they got there. 

Now, it is done with getting a person to make up their mind.  Now, it’s very easy to get you to make up your mind the world’s goin’ to Hades with its back broke; and you’re worse off, is that right, Ralph?  That’s easy.  I can just get you to do that.  But to get you to make up your mind that somethin’ real nice is ever gonna happen to ol’ Ralph is pretty hard, isn’t it?  Because, after all, it may happen to other people, but not me.

(Right.)

Hmm?  Right?  But if you make up your mind to anything, it’ll work.  Now, if you made up your mind that you could get to Lourdes and then when whatever was bothering you would get well and you just knew it and you got up and you got there some way at great difficulty, it probably would get all right, okay?  But if you went and said, “Well, I’m gonna try it, but I don’t see how – I don’t see how it could work,” it will show you it don’t know how it works either, okay?  But the greatest Energy that man can develop within himself is the ability to make up his mind.  

Now, we make up our mind we’re gonna get cancer, we make up our mind we’re gonna get arthritis, we make up our mind we’re gonna go broke, we make up our mind that the whole economy’s goin’ under and we suffer all of those things – you know that, okay?  But how difficult it is to make up one’s mind that this or that or the other that they really want.  This is you can easily see by readin’ all the books on Unity, by readin’ all the books on Christian Science and by all these others – they make their affirmations and then they repeat their affirmations. 

Well, if I believed it, I wouldn’t make the affirmation, is that right?  If I made up my mind, I wouldn’t be goin’ around affirmin’ it.  It’s like I told a lady one time – she was sayin’ “I don’t have headaches.  I don’t have headaches.”  I said, “If you didn’t have it, you wouldn’t be sayin’ it.”  You wouldn’t think of goin’ around and sayin’ “I don’t have a headache” when you don’t have one, would you?  No, of course not.  Would you go around sayin’, “I have an abundance, I have an abundance, I have an abundance” unless you felt you didn’t have?  Would you?

(No.)

‘Course not.  So, once you can make up your mind – but you see all of this we’ve accepted it as very difficult to make up the mind to anything we want so we use trickery, which never works, is that right?  But once you can get somebody – what’s your first name, hon?

(Jean.)

Jean – so suppose that I went out and I passed the word all up and down the California coast that I’d found a great healer – Madam Jean.  And I’m going to bring Madam Jean as soon as she finishes her commitments over in the Arizona desert, huh?  And I really promote Madam Jean.  And I will tell them that they can feel the power from her when she even gets close to them.  I can bring you out and you’ll be the greatest healer ever lived ‘cause they’ll have their mind made up that when you get close to ‘em, they’ll get well, dear.  Okay?  Simple.  You wanna be a great healer, I’ll make you one – for a fee.  (Laughter)  I want a price out of it, you know?

(Commission, huh?)

Yeah well, a cut, you know, and a little advance publicity money and so forth.  But I’ll go up and down that California coast and they’re pretty gullible – they’ll buy anything.  And I’ll tell ‘em about how I found Madam Jean and how I’ve seen these great healings.  And, man, you have it made, you would heal when you get there.  Okay, let’s take a few minutes break.  We’ll be back in 10 minutes. 

(Short gap in the tape)

Now, is that everybody in, in the door?  Okay.  Several folks have asked about the tapes.  A tape for the entire series of this workshop – now, different workshops are for different lengths and this one’ll be about 17 hours of talk.  The price for the tape, including the tape and the reel complete on good tape, will be thirty-five dollars – which is approximately cost in having it duplicated and laid out. 

(Will that be in cassettes, also?)

And that will be in cassettes if you want it all on cassette.  Do you want one hour, 30 minute or 15- minute cassettes – preferably want two-hour cassettes, one hour on each side, okay?  Be the same price; and we’ll have ‘em duplicated on it.  Now, these tapes are copyrighted and are not to be duplicated unless you would care to have a little play with the copyright law and they last for 17 years on the copyright.  

Now, some people have – none body here, of course, but they have been – abused the privilege of taping in the workshop and then duplicating the tapes and sellin’ them.  And so that this is not abused is why that we – of course, when privileges gets abused and thinks of ‘em as rights, why the privilege gets withdrawn.  Now, in order that we know that the tape is accurate and that it is the straight material as we give it – whether it’s correct or not remains to be proven – but at least the way it’s put out and the tape will be complete, duplicated, and on high-quality tape so that it will last for umpteen years.  But it is copyrighted and not to be duplicated and for your use – use it all you like. 

As we said to begin with, you get more out of it if you see what it’s doin’ to you as we go along; but the tapes are available and each workshop we will have a tape made of high quality and then duplicate it whether you want it on cassettes or on a regular reel tape, whichever one you want it – let us know and if you wish it, give Rosemary the order – tell her where you want it and as soon as the tapes are duplicated, we will send your tape to you.  Any questions on that?  Okay.

(They are not to be duplicated.  Now, we have duplicated them – you hadn’t told us.)

I know.

(But we have duplicated them.  How am I gonna say, “No, you can’t?”)

You say you can order one the same place you got it.  You will gladly send in the order and they can have one whether they’ve been to the talk or not.  That’s well and good.  Now, if they should want only one tape and so they go to the bother of taking out one talk, of course, the charge has to go up a little bit – they’re five dollars apiece.  But it’s better that you take the whole series because they are all on a general theme, as you well know, and so it follows this theme through.  And then the complete tape – and you say they can order it and here’s where you order it.  Would that help you be able to say whatever you want to say? 

But, as you know, first off, it started that some people were doing as you said, you know, everybody says, “Well, let me duplicate it.”  [recording slows down a bit here]  And they haven’t been and so forth and they’re getting’ it out of context and then the next trip around they, apparently, maybe decided they’d sell ‘em, you know – they started a little business on it down the road.  Somewheres down the road we have found that there is a number of cases where the tapes have been being sold for as high as twenty dollars per talk.  And we don’t charge that so, you know, if there’s gonna be any profit in it, Robert’s gonna get a dollar out of it once in a while – let’s be honest about it, okay?  Is that fair enough? 

And the tapes will be available to them if they wish to order ‘em.  And if they are wanting one of the advance workshop, it’d be much better if they also had a tape of the original one, see – some of the others.  And we have those tapes and they will be available on either the primary workshop or for any of the advanced material, okay?  And they are named from where they were given and the whole series of everything – so we have ‘em well identified, okay?  Question anywheres on that? 

Mary Jo said should we see how to experiment with a given proposition.  Okay, the proposition was – is there a God?  And you would like to know how to experiment with that, okay?

(Robert, before going through that, I read a thing about – it seems like a minister went to a computer and said, “Is there a God?”  And the computer was like, “Give me a minute.”)

Right.  [He chuckles]

(“Do it yourself.”)  (Laughter)

[He chuckles.]  “Do it yourself.”  [Starts writing on the board.]  Hmm?  Somebody said…?  No, okay.

(Somebody said, “Ooooh.”)

Oh.  [Reading what he wrote on the board:]  Is there a God?  Now, before we start with that, you’d have to assume you don’t know, is that right because if you say you already know, you would just be tryin’ to duplicate your preconceived opinions and verify them.  So, the first off, we’d have to say, first off, “I don’t know.”  That all right?  That makes you an agnostic suddenly, you know; but that’s a good place to start anywheres is not knowing, huh – if you’re gonna put labels on.  But the first place we’d have to admit we don’t know – unless we have experimented and found out for ourselves we would say “no.”

(Unclear)

Okay.  The next question we would go with is, “What do you mean by the word God?”  Do you mean some...?

(Supreme Being.)

Some…well, I know, but by “supreme being” do you mean something with a long white beard sittin’ on a throne with a whole bunch of odd statues sittin’ around in front of it, or what do you mean?

(I mean a person.)

A person.

(– that has been through – who has become understanding of Universal Law.)

In other words, is there any integrated people you’re askin’ there.  Is there anybody that can work Universal Law, huh? 

(No.)

Is that what you mean by a “god?”

(No, I mean a “God the Father” element.)

Theologian.  Well, now then by this, of course, you can go lookin’.  Have you traveled around a bit in your day, dear? 

(I’ve traveled a little bit –)

And didn’t find him anywheres?

(I thought I did but now I don’t know.)

Okay, so then you was just jumpin’ at conclusions back then.  So now we’d like an experiment, huh?  First off, we would find what a few other people may have meant by the word “god” as commonly used.  Now, these are uncommonly used methods you’re givin’ us here, you know?  One, Mary Jo gave the definition of “Integrated Being” – just anybody.

(But he’s not of this world –)

Oh, he’s got to get him off the world before you’ll have ‘em.  In other words, you’re gonna keep goin’ – goodbye, you’re not wanting to experiment at all.

(Yes I do.)

No, there’s no experiment that would verify this because you’re already practicing “occultism,” which means you hide it from yourself and then want to start huntin’ it up, you know?  You’ve already shoved him off of this Earth, huh?

(That was then.)  (Laughter)

But not now, but not today.  So then that’s an “occultism” and I don’t like to deal with occult subjects.  Having read a bit, we find that God is defined in a few places as “God is Life.”  Now, we might could experiment with that one.  [Writes it on the board.]  In another place I read that “God is Light” somewheres around.  Now, might experiment with that one.  [Writes it on the board.]  These others would ask us to experiment with pure images of my preconceived opinion.  We said we didn’t want to work on that one – but now if “God is Light” – we have read – we might could experiment with see if such thing be true.  And we have if “God is Life” – we might could experiment with it.  Now, is love.

(Yes.)

Yeah, what’s love, man?

(I’ve got the flowers in my hand.)

Okay.

(I give up, what is it?)

Approval and attention, that’s what you ordinarily call love, isn’t it?  You got some attention and you got some approval, then you think you’re loved.  Somebody gives you some disapproval and some ignorin’ you say, “They don’t love me no more,” is that about right, dear?

(I’m confusing it with “agape.”)

Well, what is that? 

(Understanding.)

Okay, somebody with complete understanding, is that right?

(In other words, understanding can’t be done on faith.)

Or somethin’ like that.

(Perfect love.)

Well, then I’ll write “understanding.”  [Writes it on the board.]  Now, anything that could have understanding would have to be alive, is that right, first off?

(Uh-huh.)

Okay, so we’re back to Life anyway, aren’t we?  Okay, so we got back to the same place – we said that only living things could understand.  And if it was truly a Living Being and unconditioned it would have understanding, so I believe we can take the bottom one off – how ‘bout that now?  Now, the first thing we would begin to look at Life, we find that it does exist – we can’t prove it, but it does exist.  That’s something that we refer to by the word “Life.”  Now, we might want to know more about its nature if we could.  First off, it is an anti-gravity device, right?  It’s an anti-gravity.  It goes against gravity we’ve noticed.  We also notice that it works from a center.  You can cut a piece of that tree limb off out there and if you don’t hook it back to anything, what happens to it in a very short time? 

(It shrivels.)

It shrivels and dies so that says, “All right we’ve discovered one of the principles about it” – that it has to have a “bi-polar existence.”

(Is that the heart?)

Well, I don’t know – leavin’ the heart out now, we’re stickin’ to Life at the moment.  It has to have something hooked into the Earth or directly attached or indirectly to the Earth and it also has to be exposed to light – sunlight.  So it is “bi-polar,” and it has a center.  Now, if you hunt around for the center, you can find where that center is, can’t you?  Most living things you can find it has a center and if you disturb the center, that form disintegrates very rapidly – is that correct?  Huh?  So, it has certain things to do.  And what is its prime thing?  It is a aspect of Energy.  It is Energy.  [Writes it on the board.]  Is that correct, also?  It is Energy, and Energy works in the principle of balance. 

And It has four aspects always working on It.  So then we can begin to see and It does work from a center.  And It goes outward from that center but the center must be in one direction or other, in contact with a pole called Earth and a pole called Sun – ‘bout right?  Or It don’t work ‘cause the minute you cut off one of those or very quickly It will not operate.  So we begin to find that this is an Energy with a certain form of behavior, hmm?  And then you begin to learn the Laws of which It operates and then you could be at one with this Energy or at one with Life and not be trying to buck It and you are a Energy being or a God being if you work with Its Laws.  If you do not work with Its laws and understand It, you disintegrate.

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