Workshop - Port Orange, Florida 4/21/91 - Page 2

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the “intuitive brain” is never used. So let’s do something that was never done before--let's use it. Ok? Just listen and intuition comes into being very quickly.

I know a man who was needed two-million dollars for a project he was working on; and he had exhausted all his grounds of logic and reason. He didn't find 10 cents. I talked to him about “being quiet” and letting “intuition” do it. So he went home and said he listened for an hour, and all of a sudden he thought about how to get the two million dollars and he found it the next morning without any sweat. Seems kind of strange, but that's how it works.
X, maybe, tells us what it is.  So we have an intuitive function within ourselves--a third brain which will tell you, but the prerequisite is that you be absolutely quiet in the logic and reason area so it's not chattering away, You can get that done very quickly by listening, just intently listening. It gets quiet very quickly.

Try it right now.

(I've thought of some things that I could do, and it didn't happen.)

Well how about listening just right now and see what happens ok?

You listen?

(Yes.)

What do you hear?

(The wind.)

You're not thinking--you just hear it. Ok? You're thoughts all quit, didn't they? Ok? That's what you're working for.

(Other side of second tape--side 4  words missing.)

……..elimination going on--wouldn’t we be rather busy? Did you ever think of the thousands of functions going on in a human body right now; and if you had to look after all of them, you'd be very busy. In fact I don't think you could get it done.

So the primitive brain takes that and it works best when you're not thinking what you “should” or “should not do” to be healthy. Logic and reason is a wonderful brain, it's a wonderful gift, great value to use for the things that logic and reason work for, mostly math problems.

(Phone rings and rings and is not answered.)

So logic and reason is a very worthwhile function when it's used for what it's worthwhile for.

(You were just using logic and reason. You thought there was an answering machine.)

I knew there wasn’t one, but I thought the person would give up. So the logic and reason is very useful for doing mechanical things, or many things that work with logic and reason.  They don't tell you the unknown things that you want to know quite often which only “intuition” can handle for you, so you can experiment and listen for intuition and use it.

Now then let’s have some conversation about these three brains. Any complications or anything?  Let’s have some comment and discussion. Ok?
(In asking intuition, is that also if you're asking for information for something you want to remember and you're just not remembering it. If you ask and get your mind quiet, is that the part you get to.)

That would be part of it. A memory--a cue for you.

(Do all those brains have memories or memory function?)

I don't know that this one does. This one seems to have considerable memory, and this one doesn't. It works on the immediate moment by moment--right now.

(But if you ask it something you knew once before, that isn't where it comes from.)

It would probably know what you were asking, down here so it could tell you. Yes.

One time I met someone who gave me a name, and I knew I must have known that person by some other name, and weeks later, suddenly her name, her real name flashed through my mind. At that point, I wasn't even asking,)

The brain was quiet at that moment.

(I was taking a shower. You think it came from....)

Intuition probably told you.

(Did it have it stored somewhere?)

It wasn't lying in the primitive brain.

(Would intuition be putting you in touch with universal mind?)

That's probably one way of saying it, yes.

(If I want to have my memory better than it is, would that be under intuition?)

Yes, that would be under intuition. You say I'd like to remember better. And you get real quiet, and it'll tell you how, ok?

(Bob, What are some of the forms of questions you can put to this intuitive mind? Like you just had one like I'd like to remember better.)

First off, you ask any question that you see fit to ask that you want to know about, not just foolishness, but what you want to know about, and you get the mind quiet by.....well, I gave you a technique—just Iisten. And then you will hear an answer, ok. You will realize an answer ... call it listening, you hear it, or it will be a "realization, or whatever you want to call it; but you will know the answer very shortly.  That answer your question all right?

(If there's something you're trying to work out and it just won't come and won't come, that's because you're trying to use the logic and reason part instead of just listening?)

That's right, and you got to get the mind quiet and the best and the easiest way to get to the quiet mind is just to listen, ok? I'm just telling you the easy way. Yes.

(Do you use mind and brain interchangeably? Is there a difference?)

No they're pretty much the same, brain has mind, and mind has brain. You don't catch your mind out here running around without a brain; and you don't find the brain without a mind, so I think they're interchangeable.

(Could you please amplify a little “stilling the mind” to pay attention a little more?)

Stilling the mind?

(Stilling the chatter.)

I said that you would listen very contently. That's the easiest way. There are probably other ones, but that's the easiest way. Just try it right now. Listen and see if you think. Do you?

(Seems to me you can't do two things at the same time.)

You can't do two things at the same time, so it works, ok?

(Is the information 100% accurate?)

As far as I've ever checked. I don't know, it may fizzle once a month, but I've only ever seen it to be factual, ok?

(Sometimes I'm working over things and get confused. I keep a journal. And I'll write things in it and I'll be asking questions in my journal and from somewhere, answers start coming.  Things to try start coming through my hands as I’m writing. Is that the intuition that's coming through?)

I'd say that's intuition--if you're quiet. Yes, if you're not quiet, you're liable to “imagine things” and then information is not correct, ok. But if you're really quiet,

I find the information always correct and it always happens. So I'd say that's intuition you're getting there.

(Does this correspond to biological structure of the brain like the cerebral cortex and so forth? Is there a correspondence?)

Yes there's a reasonable correspondence, but I'm not going into it, ok, and the brain is in two pieces instead of one, but two pieces work as one.  Ok?

(Would you agree with the following two statements:

If you're listening, you have to be in an attentive state.

You can't listen without being attentive.

( So your ability to listen is controlled by your ability to be attentive?)

That's correct.

(And the second thing is that in this one's experiences that the logic and reason brain is a usurper. It takes credit for what comes out of the intuitive.)

It likes to.

(I used to give credit to my logic and reasoning which it wasn't at all, it was intuitive.)

Right -- so now you know the difference…..ok……..good.  And intuitive is much more valuable. Logic and reason is useful in its place.)

(it’s a hell of a lot faster.)

And very much faster is correct, it's a high speed computer instead of an old slow poke. Ok?

(You mentioned about doing what I want to do and not doing what I don't want to do.)

What is it you don't want to do?

(Well, as I was working with it yesterday, I found out I didn't know what I wanted to do because all the logic and reasoning was talking, I couldn't make a decision about something.)

Couldn't make heads or tails out of it, right?

(So what you're saying is get off by myself and be quiet.)

Get off anywhere whether you’re in a crowd of people or by yourself……….and listen……….and your brain will get quiet and then you can get the answer to your question.  What do I want to do?

(If it gives it to you right away, it's usually the chatter…….not intuition.)

No, it could give it to you right quick.

(But you'll know.)

You'll know, it will sound altogether different--different flavor, different taste, .everything, ok? Well, we wore that subject out, we'll quit.  That is if you wore it out; but I don't think you wore it out yet.

(Can you use the “intuition” on anything that....?)

Yeah, very well, anything that you really want to know the answer to.

(All right on things like "What's going on here now?"  That sort of thing?)

Yeah, you can ask that, and it will give you a quick answer, too.

(When you’re listening, can you simply vow you've taken time to sit down and listen, and listen for X? In other words, with no particular conscious problem other than just to see what X has to say.)

No.

(It has to be something you're experiencing.)

It's something you want to know.  It's not just out of curiosity, that's what you’re asking.

(Where would the decision to be non- disturbed be or the six-not “I”s be in relationship to those three?)

Where is it? It's the logic and reason, second brain, ok?

(When we report to X something that has been perceived, and sometimes there's spontaneous response that has nothing to do with the normal self and the way it functions, how does that relate to the intuition.)

That probably was intuition, ok?

(Then is reporting to X and the listening similar?)

No, but one follows the other one. You report first what you want and then be quiet and hear the answer.
(Is that like where I kind of been looking at something or trying to understand something using logic and reason; and I'll wake up and the first thing in the morning and my eyes will be like a light bulb goes on and I see this whole picture in front of me.)

Yeah, you only got quiet by sleeping a while. Slow motion, but it'll work.

(The intuitive brain offers this--it feels like a mini enlightenment. You see this whole picture...)

Yeah, it gives you a light bulb. I said you only get into it when you've been asleep for a while; and I said that's the slow motion way of doing it, but you can do it that way all you want to.

(It's like a little gift.)

Oh yeah, you'll get it.

(If someone once had their face pushed into the Bermuda grass and now every time they drive by that kind of grass, they get a reaction ...)

You’re talking about an allergy or something.

(Would that be out of the second brain also?)

Oh yeah, that would be the second one.

(Are all the not-i's in the second brain?)

Yeah, all the not-i's live in the second brain. So they say “Here it comes again." And you get all sniffles and everything; but if you ask why do I get sniffles when I go by the Bermuda grass, you'd probably remember very quickly that you got your face pushed in, and then you wouldn't have any problem with it anymore, ok?

(Well, initially it's come up several times, like if--somebody gets cancer from smoking, is that the second………..)
Who said they did?

(I'm saying could that be the second brain?)

Oh there's suggestion going on in the second brain all the time, yeah?

(You're saying the number one brain would not cause cancer?)

No, it has nothing to do with that, it functions the body quite well. But if you pour a bunch of emotional fears into it, why, it works on those too. So you can buy the suggestion that people get cancer from smoking cigarettes from the logic and reason brain--from believing what one has heard. That produces the emotional fears.  What about all the ones that got cancer and never smoked a cigarette. What do you answer those with? Huh?

(I'd like to feel that the first brain comes into account, so you feel it doesn't?)

If the first brain receives constant suggestion that the person's in trouble because they smoked a cigarette or smelled one somewhere off, then they get in trouble with it. But basically the second brain is the source of all not-i's. Ok?

(Is it possible for you to live more in third brain?  Where you kind of live in third brain most of the time?)

Can you do it?Yeah, if you listen a lot and keep the brain quiet--you can get there more of the time.

(Would that be where magi would live in service?)

I don't know. I told you I didn't know about some of those.

(There are some substances that are possibly toxic to the body not based on allergy thing. I was buying a certain kind of litter for the cats’ and the manufacturer started putting a different product in it which came up into the air when I was cleaning the box. I had a feeling that smell wasn't too great to be breathing.  It had nothing to do with any past things.)

No, I wouldn't think that, but you notice it now. You keep it around you, and you’ll get so used to it that you don't smell it.

(But it seemed to be filtering out and getting on everything.)

Well, I would have taken it back and exchanged it)

(I did.)

That's the appropriate thing to do. You can get along with it, but it may not be easy. Not all these things that they suggest to you are carcinogenic are going to “do you in” overnight. Ok?

(I've been experimenting with listening, especially to stop the not i's. I used to scream in my car or beat a pillow on the bed and it really is a lot less violent, and works! And you can do it
anywhere.)

You don't have to wait until you get in the car by yourself. Try it.  And the other one will work too; but in drastic cases you can scream in the car; but otherwise you can just get the brain quiet by listening, it works pretty good too, ok?

(I haven't been asking a question before. I've been practicing with it to get quiet.)

Ok, now then you can ask questions, you might get an answer. It might surprise you, ok.

(But my question is: In asking a question and reporting accurately, is it important to keep it simple?)

Keep it as simple as you can.

(I have trouble with brevity.)

See if you can get it as simple as you can. You can even say "What's next?" That'll keep it simple.

(That's good.)

(Bobby will feel glad that you said that, right Bobby? When we're working together, I've got about sixteen songs going through my head and he jokingly says, "We only need one!")

I know, but which one of the sixteen are you going to use. You can have an hour's delay while you figure out which one is the very best. Ok?

Another one, question, comment.

(In our workaday world or during the day or anytime, a lot of times you just march through things; and we work on reactions. Someone does something to us and we react back. Which brain is that coming out of?)

That's coming out of number two—logic and reason. And I'd quit it. This reacting is a miserable state of existence, a long
round of misery and emotions and adaptation.


(Amen.)

(Other than humans have any animals got a number two brain?)

Most of them have one and two; higher animals all have one and two. I don't know whether they got the third one or not--but they do have one and two.

(If you are observing others reacting to each other, and you're in the room, is that a valuable experience? People in the room where you are are having difficulty and are reacting to each other and you're observing this. Is it possible for you to just...?)

Be quiet.

(Be quiet? And just listen?)

Listen, be quiet, and things will straighten out in a little bit.

(They will?)

Oh yeah, they'll all straighten out, don't try to aggravate those people, they're just doing ....

(Don't try what?)

Don't try to talk to the people -- just be quiet, ok, and listen, ok?

(I always have a big thing with this big internal judge that I have. If I did the "just listening" thing, would that kind of take the judge out of commission?)
You're saying you judge.

(If I was observing reactions between people, a lot of times the judge will come up in me, and then I judge, and then I'll be in the middle.)

Oh, yeah. If you have conflict going on just be quiet and ask and it'll calm down if it's any of your business, ok?

(Oh.)

If it's none of your business, it won't say anything to you, but you just be quiet anyway, ok?

(If you call all of these brains the basis of the awareness function, what are the effects or is just “intuition” awareness?)

These--all three of them--they are a function of X—yes--the awareness.  There are three varieties of it. It's not all just simply one thing--it's three of them. Each one does a certain job that's it's supposed to do.

(You call it brain, but in some other traditions, they call it body.)

Ok, suits me all right. Don't bother me a bit. Call it body or brain or mind if you want to. It all comes out meaning the same. Ok.

(Universal mind is all information.)

The last I heard it did, I don't know. It may be something come up tomorrow it never heard of.  I don't know. But as far as we know now, it has all information of any value. Ok?

Ok suppose we take about a 5-minute break and that's a half hour and then we go another one.

(At the end of the last session where we were discussing universal mind, you said something that you …………)

Did I use that word?

(You agreed with somebody about the word, and what do you mean by that. How does it tie in with the diagram?)

I didn't use the word, I'm sure.

(The tape will show you did use the word.)

(Somebody else asked something and then refered to the universal mind.)

Well, that's all right, we'll let them ask anything they like; but I didn't say it. It probably fit all right. Ok?

I'll think on that a minute and get back to you.

(I was thinking about a question, and I think it will fit in with the “intuitive mind”. Can you ask "What's to my advantage?”  and then listen?)

Oh, that's a little ambiguous, why don't you ask a simple question?

(It would have to be in relationship to……………)

Something or other. Now you're asking about universal mind.

(Well, it was mentioned.)

I don't know about universal mind. I've heard the expression. I don't know if there is such a thing or not. What I've read about it said there was one big mind had all the information, and you had an individual mind and she had one, and he had one and all that. But I really don't know what they mean by universal mind, so I’m sure I didn't use the word. Somebody else might have used it, I don't know, ok ?

Making things Important

We'll talk about “Making Things Important".  Now about everybody here makes something very important, is that right? You made something very important a while ago and you experienced not even knowing your own name, is that right?

(Yes.)

You make things important and get agitated all over it. You make things important, your blood pressure goes up, your cholesterol level goes up, heart rate goes up.  At that point you can't pass the physical exam because you made it so important to pass the physical exam. Is that about right?

(That sounds about right.)

So we can make things important like examinations, They get very important. You can know the information right and left and inside out.  Say you had to take an exam in the third grade. Now you certainly knew all the information, but you couldn't pass it because you get so "fuzzed up".  All of a sudden you wouldn't know anything.

So we make a little statement that says "Whenever I make anything important, I am anxious." Now that's simple and when you're anxious, you don't usually know what you're doing.

You’re fritterin' around, is that correct? You couldn't make a placement or anything that week, could you? Couldn't even think about it. So when you make things important, you injure your ability. No matter how good you are, when you make it important, your ability level goes down--sometimes it
totally quits. I have made it important, in years past, to remember a title. I couldn't think of it for anything. No way--I couldn't get it. So when you make things important, you have totally incapacitated yourself.  Is that correct? When you make something important, you incapacitate yourself. So anything that puts us in the place of incapacitation seems like it'd be worthwhile considering dropping the importance. Right?

I had a lady call me from southern California the other day and she said I have lectured myself for two weeks over not making anything important, and it's still important! I said, “Yes, because all you did was say the words--you didn't stop making it important. "Oh," she said, "I thought if I just said, it’s not important, it would stop." No, she was going on and making this subject very important; but she was saying to herself, “I'm not making it important”, “I'm not making it important”, “I'm not making this important’, but her solar plexus was tied in a knot while she was making it important. So let's don't kid ourselves. We don't stop something by saying, "I'm not making it important." We do it by not making it important.

How do you make it not important?  You set your state of being against that. You're not making it important. I heard somebody say here a while ago, that they were ‘making it important” to “not make it important” so they could do something.

But the point was that you take the importance out of things because you turn it a-loose. In other words she was making it very important that she have a certain situation arise while she was saying, "I'm not going to make it important." So that was kidding herself.  But when I got her to really look at how unimportant it was, she turned it a-loose. And it really doesn't matter what's going to happen. Does it?

(It does at the time.)

Did you ever try turning “whatever your making important” a-loose and seeing what would happen?  You are just curious and interested to see what will happen.  You have no control over all the other people that have “a finger in the pie” and you don’t have control over circumstances; so you can just make a little contribution with your good mood and your skills and see what happens.

(I've turned it loose and it's turned out fine; but then  I didn't remember that I'd used the tool of turning it loose and it working out fine.  I guess I forgot the process worked and then forgot to use it after that.  That must be what you mean by self-remembering.)

And you also forgot how well it worked out anyway, is that right? You didn't remember how you did it, but all you need to do is turn it a-loose, it doesn't matter, so what. And you really mean that, you don't just say the words. And when you cease to make things important, you find that you can function quite well. You function on top of the world like that, ok? You have all the ability to do it--that's in third brain, but you've got to let it get quiet. You can't get quiet while you're making things important. You get it quiet by listening. That's one way--an easy way to do it; so if this lady instead of giving herself the lecture that “she should not be making it important” while she was “making it important”, had only stopped to listen for ten minutes instead of keep pounding away of making it important and criticizing herself because she was making it important and all this kind of stuff, it would have been ‘over with” a week ago. But she didn't do it that way; she did it the hard way which didn't work.

So let's do it the easy way. Everything that works is simple

(End of tape two, beginning Side 5)

You can do it, but you don't have to. I'm giving you a way to stop it. So you take it in here, "It really doesn't matter, does it?"--whether I feel “top of the world right now”, or whether I'm tired right now. It doesn't make any difference.  I'm not going to make it important either way. So what if I'm a little tired, I'm anxious about it and thinking “When am I going to get this thing over with” until I’m in a terrible state.  But I'm not going to get in a terrible state.  Ok?

So now we've all worked at making things important. And a few of us have taken a little time to not make things important and have greatly profited by it.  So would we like to have a good discussion on making of things important and how to make it “not” important. Let's do that for a minute. How'd you do it honey?

(One time I took a break. I decided the rest of the day, I wasn't going to worry about a certain situation or make it important. I was going to not make it important and keep my mood up. It was wonderful. The next day when I went to market. .... )

But then the next day you went back and made it all important again. Then it was terrible, huh?

(But when I remembered to use it, it worked really well.)

Well, that's right. Anything works when you do it, but just to know about it doesn't make it work. You see, you have to do it. So you said so what, I'm not going to fret over this today and you turned it a-loose down here, and you felt wonderful. You kept you're mood up a little bit and you're doing fine.
See I'm always thinking how we can make all the teaching material very simple--simpler than we're presenting it. So I came up a few weeks ago with an idea that I could put all the teaching in one sentence--one sentence. I said "Don't make anything important, and keep your mood up." That's the whole bit. Now if you can do that, you've got all of it, you don't need to sit around here anymore. Ok? Can you do that? Don't make anything important, and keep your mood up. If you're going out in a little while to do your number, you want to keep your mood up while you're there, is that right? And if you don't make it important to keep your mood up, you'll do fantastic well.

(Don't make anything important and keep my mood up.)

Just keep it up, ok, don't make it important, and just play with it, ok. And you don't make anything important. You just go out to the garden party and have a ball, ok. Then everything will work wonderful and you're living the teaching. So how many of you can do that? Don't make anything important and keep your mood up. Can you do that? You got your hand up saying you can or are you asking a question.

(An observation on the importance. I saw that what I thought was most important was myself--my self-importance.  When I really looked at that, how important was I—really?,  And I didn’t like what I saw. So when I see that I'm being self-important again—Well, Life is just a lot easier when I'm not important.)

Right, when you're just a big joke.

(Right!)

Now we got it started now, let's have some more comments, questions about making things important.
(In the man-made world, people get confused making things important and being motivated. If you want to get things done, you got to put some energy into it. You got to be motivated to do it, say, start a business and make it succeed.)

Yeah.

(And before we know it, we start making it important. Would you like to comment on that?)

Yeah, they make it important and they have all kinds of problems; and then they have to hire outside consultants and consequently they go through long y spells.  Everything would work out fine if they just kept on making it interesting. Interest, you see, is the big motivator--not “HAVE TO". You see, if I tell myself I “have to do” something, I bow my back right now--don't you? Huh? “Have to” is not a motivator.

Now if I'm really interested in something, I can't wait of a morning to get up and get out of there and work with it.  

Right. That's the motivation is when it's not important. When it is interesting, that's the big motivator. Where most people think motivated as “I have to’. Now I tell people don't ever do anything that you have to. They think I'm putting them down, but I’m not--I’m telling them to find something they're truly interested in and to get with it—that will work much better for them. And that is where the motivation power is--a person is truly interested. If you are a real motivator, you make things interesting and get people interested in it rather than telling them they have to.

(Can one have strong desire without it being important?)

Oh yes, I think you could have a strong desire because you're very interested. If I'm interested in a project, I can't wait to wake up of a morning and go get with it. I have a strong desire to go do it.

(But it's not important?)

No it's not important, but man is it interesting to me.

(Sometimes I make it important not to have stress.)

And that makes you very stressful. So that gets you stressed up and all out of shape. So you’re better to just sit down and say, "Well, this is an interesting thing to work on."  Ok? And if it's not interesting; for goodness sake, don't do it. OK? With things that you're not interested in, you have no motivation, you are really pushing yourself to do it.

(Is there a difference between importance and values, is it valuable to you?)

Oh, a value is “it's valuable to me”, but it might not be valuable to anybody else, probably isn’t so who cares. But I wouldn't put too much value on there because you're liable to make it important. Why don't you just say it's interesting, Ok? It's kind of interesting to see what happens. It's interesting to see if you find a golf ball about 15 ft. from a hole and that you can putt it in the hole in one putt--kinda interesting.

(That's the easy part.)

Yes, that's easy for you because you don't make it important. But if you see the ball 60 yards from the hole. Oh man, now you make it important, is that right?

(Right.)

And which one goes astray.

(The 60-yard one.)

So I think you can see that, ok.  

(Seems that I can say, "Well, this is not important." But as I go along, I'll say, "This really doesn't matter." And then I fall asleep again because I think that was a not “I” speaking to me. I don't want to fall asleep, but I have to be careful or I take “not making something important” the same as ‘it doesn't matter”.)

So you say, but I'm very interested in it, and you don't make it important. Now it will matter a little bit to you, it's interesting, ok? That work for you? So you say this is not important, but it sure is interesting to me. Ok?

(So that takes the anxiety out of it. Importance has anxiety in it.)

Importance makes great gobs of anxiety. Being interested doesn't. Ok? So I would say on the basic decisions we were talking about this morning, that we made it important in the original making, but that we can drop the “right now” and that takes the importance and the anxiety out of it. So I like to have my way, but I don't have to have it right now. I can wait maybe for all day to get it. I'll get it before it's over with, you just watch and see. I'll get it, ok? It’s not important, but I’ll get it, because it's interesting to me.

And same way that it's important to please them. I don't think it's important to please them, but it's interesting to please people, and I do it to see how flexible they are when I please. Right?

Ok. Let's rattle around some more out here with all this stuff.

(If you're around another person and they're making something very important, believing it is important and getting all anxious; and I'm in their company............)

I laugh.

(You always laugh at that?  I just think I know I'm going to get punched out if I do that.)

Well, do you make not getting punched out important? You don't know that you will get punched out, you just assume or imagine that happening; and if you sit there and smile at them, they don't know what you're smiling about. They think you're agreeing with them. But whatever it is they’re doing, you're smiling while they're doing it, and pretty soon it's contagious. They start smiling and now they've forgotten all about it, ok. That's what really happens. Not that they punch you out. A smile and a happy face is contagious. A smile is contagious, they all pick it up. Ok? Try it and see.

You'll probably meet somebody that's real anxious to experiment with the idea of smiling—someone to work with.

(Oh, Dr. Bob, I knew you'd do that to me!)

I didn't “do” that to you, I just told you. So there's something very interesting about it, ok?

(You mean that I’m going to meet someone who is making something important and being anxious; and I'm going to smile?)

Oh sure, just smile and go on and laugh inside. And pretty soon they'll be agreeing with you.  Ok? All right -- we got that taken care of. We got some more questions, comments on it? Yes?

(Some of my contemporaries are making it very important to remember they're memories. Does this impair their ability to remember then?)

You're saying that some of the folks around make it important to remember because they're afraid if they're not remembering, then it's signs of aging and they don't want to age. So they make it important, and that's a good way to age.

(And also impair their memories.)

That's good way to age is to keep it all important. So tell them to forget about it. Their memory is absolutely perfect for what they need, ok? Really,  We don't need an awful lot.

I heard a story about a guy who remembered everything. He remembered he had a young lovely wife at home. He was an old guy. He remembered that they had two lovely children. He remembered that he had a more than adequate savings lined up to take care of them for all their life or from there on. And he remembered everything and finally his friend said "Well, what are you so miserable about." He said "Well, look, I've forgotten where I live." So he might as well not have had the beautiful young wife, or the kids or the money or anything else. He forgot where he lived is the only thing he forgot, ok? That's all, that's enough.

(Sometimes Jimmy will say that something's important; and I'll say, "Well, you know it really isn't that important. " "You don't have to be concerned about that." He gets so involved and anxious. How can I deal with others making things important and getting so upset?)

Right. You say, "Well, my man, you just keep on making it important, because it probably is to you, but it's not to me." See you don't want to start an argument over these things. You can just keep it to yourself that you aren’t involved in it. I don't argue with people that they want to talk about ‘universal mind”--doesn't bother me. Doesn't bother me a bit, does it you?

Do you have to make everybody agree with you? If you do, you're in trouble because you have “made it important for them to agree with you.”  Does that change anything?  What value does that really have?   Yes sir? I can't see back there.

(She was talking about being with someone who was making something important.  Would it be ok to say, "Well, it's not that it's important--it might be valuable to do………)

Maybe interesting.

(Maybe interesting or valuable, but not important?)

It's not important. I don't need to say "I put value on it"--it may be that it’s just very interesting to do to see what happens—it’s an experiment.

(If you were doing a project that you thought you mght make some money off of, instead of saying "Oh this is so important” or “Well this is valuable, I could say………….)

It's interesting. Yeah.  How about plain old interesting? That's what motivates people--is interest in doing things.  If you’re interested in doing something, don't you hurry up and go do it? And you're not making it important, it's just very interesting. And Interest is what gets you in motion.

(Bob I don't know anything about “universal mind”, but I’ve heard it said that all the ideas and principles have been available to man--like discovering the
wheel, discovering fire, and discovering principles of mathematics. Where then, is that information coming from or where is it stored?)

I don’t know whether it's stored or not. It's just available for use when you want it.  Probably intuition.

(Intuition is individual?)

Turned loose, yeah.  I'm an individual. I don't know whether anybody invented fire--I doubt that.

(You collect principles of mathematics?)

Mathematics? Somebody just discovered those by coming up on them. They didn't have to learn them from somebody else, because the first guy didn't learn it from somebody. So they really didn't come from anywhere, they're just here. Somebody stumbles on to them, ok? And usually by degrees. They didn't start off with the top line stuff, they started small stuff and worked up to it. But all knowledge is available to us, if we can be awake enough to see it. I think the principle is that you have to be awake to see a principle. Ok? You’re a little more awake than you were yesterday when you didn't see it; and that's what everybody's working on.

(And this is available to everyone if they're awake?)

If they're awake enough to see it, right. They see things that nobody else has seen before. That's the artist level of consciousness. So every once and a while someone stumbles into it, or there is a cosmic need and they do it anyway, ok?

(I've observed that when I make something important, I am setting up an ideal to “have” or “be” in a certain state of being.)

And you set it up that you know “what ought to be.”

(Yeah.)

And you find yourself in trouble. Ok?--either immediately or a week later, you find out you're in trouble.  We use the word “grace”.  And grace is receiving undeserved goods, or unearned goods. “Good” meaning anything that you want.

(Grace is “unearned goods”.)

Unearned goods or good states, ok? So “faith” is something you can work to have--to build faith.  You can keep on practicing “making up your mind singly”. Now to make your mind up about something is very simple. “I'm going to move these chairs out of the living room tomorrow.” Make your mind up singly, and the chairs will be moved tomorrow.

You can make it over something very valuable or useful or anything you want to. You could say that you were going to create world peace between countries. It would take you a little bit, but it would get done, if you make up your mind singly to that, but the point is, can you make up
your mind singly or do you get too much interference.

The point is if you can really make up your mind singly to that, you'd see world peace happen for a …unintelligible……….. So it doesn't matter the scope of the thing or the size of it, it is you're ability to make up the mind singly about the subject at hand. That is “faith”. Great Teachings have always said to develop your faith--increase your faith, which means keep making it on bigger and bigger things. You're ability to make up your mind singly. You can observe the small things you’re already making up your mind about like getting a drink of water when you’re thirsty.  Begin there.

Now we will consider grace for a minute. Grace is receiving undeserved, unearned things that are worthwhile. So where it comes from, nobody seems to know, but if we stop to look at most of the things we have, we have to say we are the recipients of grace. About right? We didn't earn it--we didn't make it. We received it for some reason or another, whether from a loving Spirit or what, we don't know. But whatever it is, it is undeserved goods. It's well worthwhile if we pay attention to those and be a little thankful for them now and then. Pretty worthwhile, ok? Undeserved circumstances which we didn't really earn in any way. So, I think instead of counting your blessings, you counted signs of grace; you would be doing pretty well. Think that'd be worthwhile?

You know instead of thinking I got cheated here, well you could see how much grace you have. You might feel a lot better--it's immaterial. But at any rate, the observation is to increase your degree of “thankfulness” apparently is the reason for grace being extended to us, ok? And faith is something you can generate slowly increasing the making up of your mind singly from simple little things to very big ones if you want to put values on it. Ok?

So what will you make up your mind about Miss Marsha.

(Well, I'd like to see peace on our job?)

Then why not make up your mind that it will be that way. Maybe you can do it all at once, or maybe you can take a little time; but you can get your mind made up singly. Do that, ok? You certainly wouldn't contribute to the agitation, if it should occur.

(What gets in the way of making up the mind? Is it that level…...?)

Oh, there are a lot of things that get in the way of making up the mind. One is suggestion. One is the sense of limitation. One is the sense we've been told "You can't do that.” “You mustn't do that.” “You can't do it.” “Who do you think you are?” All that good stuff--all those get in the way.

(So you try to be using the “intuitive mind”?)

As much as possible -- to make up your mind. It works real well. You get your mind quiet; and then you can make it up. If you try to make your mind up out of an agitated state, of course it's very difficult; but if you get the mind quiet then it's easier to make up your mind--singly.

Ok, now we've talked about faith and grace for a while. Let's have some comments and questions on it.  So we have a roundtable discussion. It's not round, but we'll act like it is.

(On one of the 48 tapes, you talk about faith and grace and my recollection of the gist of what you're saying is that we can have the other spiritual experiences, but that there is a difference required before we can experience faith and grace. And I believe you say something about renouncing
is the key.)

Yes, renouncing all doubt.

(Now that sounds a little different than what you just said here.)

That's all right, it probably is different; but about the same if you did do it. Comes out a little different, yeah.

(In the case here, you're telling us that there is some things that we can do, we can practice having faith.)

Right, increasing faith.

(You can be more grateful so that grace is more likely to be available.)

More apt to be around.

(But in the other, it sounds like you have to do something specific, which is to get rid of something.)

Well we'll leave that one where it is.  You read the tape and that one's true; and this one is probably true too if we listen to it. I think they'll both be true; but this is accurate for now ok?

(Is it grace to get loaded up with suggestions in one's life.)

Is it grace? No, I think that would be anti-grace--loaded with all the suggestion that comes through the day. I think that would be unnecessary. So if you're loaded with them, I think it would be grace if you suddenly got rid of them all without effort on your part, ok?

(Would faith be involved in healing?)

Oh yes, very definitely. Got to make up your mind that this person is fine. And you can't let anything stand in the way. Sometimes the healer doesn't want to see the person because it'd be harder to make up his mind. The person looks decrepit, so he just says, "They're fine." So
he's off by himself and that's it.

(When my co-musician was in the hospital, I wouldn't go see him because I wanted to be able to make up my mind that he’d be all right—I didn't want to see what he looked like.)

That's correct. Ok, another comment. Yes?

(If there was just one or two things that you'd like us to remember about what you said today.)

From what?

(From what we've heard today, would it be not to make things important or...)

I wouldn't make anything important, no.

(What would you hope that we take away with us now?)

I hope you remember all of it, but I wouldn't make it important. Worthwhile, interesting to remember; and put into use, but it's not important. Yes?

(Bob, I don't know exactly how to answer this question.)

Well, all right, give it a try.

(Going around, like when we were talking before where ideas of principles of, say, mathematics or science--where they come from. It sounds like………..Well, I get a feeling then after you've answered me that it is taking away from the idea that there is something outside of us.)

You think there is? I don't think there's anything outside you.
(I know. In other words you're saying we don't have to be ... Well, we shouldn't be looking for something coming from somewhere else. It's coming from within.)

That's like I heard somebody say that human life didn't originate on earth, it came from another planet, ok?

All he did is back it off one more notch. We still have the same problem. How did it originate there? So what's the difference? So I just as soon say we'll work from here, ok? And you'll find it all works well if you see that Spirit is within you. It has to be treated as though it is something outside you, but it is within you.

(It has to be treated as if it's something ...)

Outside you.

(I don't understand?)

You treat it as though it is outside you--you talk to it--as though it's an outsider, but it's really you, ok? But it's on a different level in which you usually function. So then you talk to it that way.

(Bob, you combined the “faith action” and “think, act, feel” after that, the thing you can work with to make up you’'re mind singly to.)

Uh huh, you could put it that way if you wanted to.

(Is that right, I just want to find out.)

Sure. Try it.

(Second side tape 3 words may be missing.)

(So as long as you’re willing to wait.)

Yes, you wait for a little bit--it will happen, ok? In other words you can have your way if you want to decide that you'll be a little patient, how’s that? I don't like to use that word, but I use it because it's appropriate and the only one I can think of, ok?

(A lot of times “my way” is not to my advantage.)

Well, that's ok, you'll get it anyway. That's what you want.

(It'd be better to back off and say, I don't know.)

That's all right, in some cases you'd say I don't know what I want, so I don't want anything right now. .. until.  But if you really want something, whether it's to your advantage or not, I don't care, you'll get it. You’ll go after it, ok? I think most of us would be better off if we didn't ask for anything, We don't know the outcome, but we think we do. Ok?

(Would you comment on responsibility?)

Responsibility?—“able to respond.”  I am responsible for me. I'm responsible to eat, drink, etc., long as I can--you can't drink for me. You can't eat for me or do anything else for me--is that right? I am not responsible for you or anybody else. I may have a duty to you. I may see that you're provided with food, clothing, shelter, and transportation as a duty. But one day I may want to lay that duty down; so I say I can lay that particular duty down.  But I can never lay down the responsibility for me.  So I’m free to do whatever I want to do as long as I am free to accept the responsibility for my actions, ok.

(To me, it symbolizes the sense of freedom to be responsible.)

That's correct; it is freedom because I'm taking care of me. That’s right. But I'm not taking care of anybody else unless it is as a sense of duty, and I can take care of that.  And I can put that aside whenever I want to. But I would consider what the consequences may be in that I'm responsible before I lay down or pick up a duty, ok? I'm free to pick them up. Ok? Another comment. We got one more here.

(Are you open to anything now?)

Yes.

(Could you comment on will and purpose as existing side by side with passive awareness?)

Ok. Will and purpose. “Will  is what you decide to do.  “Purpose is what you decide to do it for.”

We said that we didn't ask anybody to do anything they don't want to do because that's greatly depleting your energy. It is wonderful to do what you really want to do because that enhances your energy level a bit. You build it because you want to do something. You accumulate energy.

But when you say “I have to”, you deplete it. Now, I think if you listen to yourself and others, you will find that you're saying “I have to” and you're hearing others say “I have to” about a great gob of things they “don't have to” or “you don't have to”.

You might, for instance, say "I have to get up at 6:00 in the morning." or "I have to take a shower." “I have to get my breakfast.”  “I have to drive to work.” “I have to check in at a certain time.” And then “I have to do this kind of work all day,”--whatever it may be. Then in the afternoon, “I have to go home.” “I have to get a drink before dinner.” “I have to eat dinner.’ “I have to get ready for bed.” “I have to go to bed.” And it starts over in the morning. “I have to get up.” And this person is totally devoid of energy. If you observe them, you'll see they just barely creep along because they're so tired. They have burned up their energy through the day, and borrowing from next week.

So I would suggest that you listen to the things you say and see that you want to say instead, “I'm doing so and so today.” “I'm getting up this morning.” “I'm having some coffee.” “I'm having some breakfast.” “I'm going to drive to work.” “I'm going into work this morning.” “I'm going to take care of my duties today at work.” You don't say you have to go to lunch, you say,  “I'm going out to lunch, do you want to go with me?” “I want to go back to work this afternoon”, or “I’m taking off this afternoon and going home.”  “I'm going to stop and get a drink.”  It’s not changing anything except your way of looking at it.

The way of looking at it for most people is—“I have to.” And that depletes the energy when the person's doing it with the attitude that they have to.  Looking at it as “I’m doing this” gives you energy—you’re looking forward to it because you really want to. “I'm just doing it because it's there to do.” Then you generate a bit of energy.  Have you seen people who are 65 and look like a wreck—that is if they’re still around.  They’ve spent their entire life saying and thinking they “have to”.  Now those who are doing because they want to is still going strong.   So I think it would behoove us to watch our language a wee bit; and not use these, ‘I have-to's”, and “I must”, because it's totally unnecessary, it's untrue.  But, you see, the mind accepts it as being true and so you feel greatly depleted, ok?

Everybody hear that one all right.

(So you could say, “I get to do this.”)

Well, you can say I'm gettin' to do it if you want to or you can just say you're doing it. If you're getting to do it, it's wonderful, you're getting to drive the car now, and you're gettin' to go do this and that, where you used to “have to do this or that“, ok? It's wonderful to say I’m gettin' to do that. But sometimes it sounds a little Pollyannaish. So let's just say I'm doin' it, ok?

(I'm back on the question that was asked about building the building, and you said determination. I don't see the difference between having made up your mind singularly and having determination.  I don't see why “making up the mind singularly” means that you're precluded from being miserable.)

Well, if you “make up your mind” freely without duress and without thinking you “have to”, you won't be under any stress, When you speak of “pure guts and determination” maybe somebody told him he couldn't build a building there and the person decided “he's gonna build it to show them.” I don't think it's always pure faith that gets a building built. I think sometimes, it's just pure orneriness, And that’s ok too.

(But the definition of faith is making up the mind singularly.)

Right.

(So he made up his mind singularly because he was ornery, but he made up his mind …………)

He may have made up his mind singularly, and he may have not even made up his mind except to get revenge on somebody; but you can have it that way if you want. I won't argue with you. But I do think there a little bit of a difference, Charles. Ok? Any more questions here?

(I found that when I experienced a little bit of gratitude, it makes it more valuable to me.)

That's correct.

(Drop the negative emotions.)

That's correct. Emotions of anger, guilt, fear and insecurity--they're not valuable at all. But the feeling of gratitude is very valuable, and a little of it goes a long way, right? Ok?

(Would you comment on competitiveness and why are the male of the species more competitive?)

I don't know that they are.  I wouldn't buy that if I was asked to buy something.  I wouldn't buy it. Because I've noticed that females are competitive too. Ok? It seems to be an aspect of the human species.

(Ok? But I notice when I play bridge, when a couple comes along and has that attitude, it's probably the men.)

Well, just watch it all’ and I think you'll see girls are just as competitive as the males are in the long run, ok. Maybe not in the bridge game, I don't know, I never play bridge, but possibly. Maybe they are more competitive.

(Women have been forced to hide their competitiveness.)

A certain amount of it, but they're still competitive.

(Bob, in the 48 week tapes, in the first tape, you say if you work with these ideas, there's a suggestion that there's a possibility of a complete transformation of being. Could you comment what you mean by that?)

I think if you work with them there is a complete transformation of the person, if they're really interested in it and doing it. Not everybody's gonna do it, but there is a possibility of complete transformation, transformation mentally, physically and spiritually, ok?

(For some of us, when we come to hear the ideas and see these diagrams, it's seems like the transformation consists of going from the conditioned diagram of man to the unconditioned diagram of man, is that what you're referring to.)

Partially.

(Yet you seem to indicate that the conditioned diagram remains but you have  ...)

We speak of re-evaluated it which is quite different, yes. So that's a big transformation in the person. Physically there’s a big transformation. The person ceases aging or decidedly slows it down. It begins to be well-functioning instead of miserable, sick and falling apart. Spiritually he is transformed
in that he comprehends far more of reality. He can be quiet. He isn’t competitive with anybody. So a total ransformation is possible. I didn't say it would happen, I said it's possible.

(In the sense that there is no more not-i's.)

Not-i's are taken care of and they're not in conflict. They may talk, but they’re ignored.  So basic decisions have been modified because they were looked at in the light of the teachings and reevaluated in the light of experience. The two sides of A and B are not used at the same time. So, as an example, I'm not going to try to “have my way right now”, and please everybody by going into “slavish pleasing as doing everything they ask for” at the same time. I will treat everybody with simple good manners. I think that's enough, don't you?

(Is it the case when you are using in the big diagram, instead of the six decisions, you are using the small x.)

Yes, I’m using awareness which is small x, but it has been re-evaluated—that content has been re-evaluated in the light of the teachings, and experienced.  So there is no absolute statement, "I want my way right now!" That's a little cussy. And on the other side, "It's important to please them."--which means that no matter what they want, we’ll give it to them.  Wanting to please; and then wanting my way right now is a big conflict? Having both is impossible, so conflict is not necessary.

(The statement in the tapes which I found so interesting was that we are a function of X.)

That's correct.

(And in looking at that close, it somewhat takes the self-importance away. How can a function be important; and in looking at that, how can we ever be X. Wouldn't it be as a function, we are the used?)

Yes, that's correct. And we can also go the other way and say we want it to all fit together. So you say “What” and  X takes care of the “how”, which is about the same statement again, but X is using you to state the “what”. It'll take care of the how, ok?  So that is a partnership.

(X uses us to state the “what?”)

Yeah. That's right, wonderful. So don't make anything important, and keep your mood up. That's what counts. Ok, Any other question and/or comments?

(Dray and I had a conversation -- when he's at the golf ourse, he's in competition to win. And he said sometimes he is in a conflict because he cares about the other players, and also wants to win.)

I know, he can build up a big conflict all he wants to, but he can quit too. He can just look at the ball and see where he wants it to go and expect the other guys to do likewise. You don't have to worry about that, ok?

(You made the comment rather than to see how I was cheated, or we were cheated, to see how much grace I have been given in that situation, and in my whole life.)

That's right, are you having any trouble with that?

(So it's just a not-i that says over and over that I've been cheated?  So are you saying that's just a not-I--an illusion?)

Oh yeah, big illusions. You didn't have it in the first place, did you?

So dear people we've been around and had a lovely day--or I have, and I hope you have. And I will see you somewhere along the way. Thank you for having me here, I enjoyed it very much.

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